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there's a whole fleet of look on the

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it was basically a cube with inside of

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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states it's a

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welcome back everyone to episode 8 of

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that ufo podcast and as i announced a

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few weeks ago tonight's guest i'm very

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excited to speak to one of the cast one

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of the stars of the curse of skinwalker

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ranch or the secret of skinwalker ranch

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if you're in the usa it's the curse of

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skinwalker ranch in the uk uh we have

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thomas winterton superintendent of the

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ranch thomas how are you

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i'm great yeah thanks for having me on

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no it's an absolute pleasure yeah

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someone that said straight away got a

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lot of interest in and a lot of people

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sending over questions which i've got to

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read out kind of later on in the show um

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you've become a bit of a celebrity in

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the last year at least uh with the the

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history channel show taking off how's

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that been has it been a bit of a weird

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experience or are you kind of used to it

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little bit of a roller coaster simply

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i'm a businessman by trade i own a

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couple of businesses

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i live in a very small town i mean i

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live 15 minutes from the ranch so as the

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viewers can see

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we live in a very remote part of utah

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yeah more cows than people

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and uh

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this newfound i guess we'll say

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celebrity uh

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this attention has definitely been

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something that i'm having to get used to

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but

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it's fun to go in a store and have

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people want your autograph or want to

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take a picture with you that that's kind

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of cool um i i like that but um it

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definitely is taking some adjustment i'm

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a private person uh i've never been one

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that shared a lot on social media

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i you know i like my privacy so there

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are some adjustments that come with the

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new found recognition but overall i'm

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i'm happy and it's good

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awesome well it's great to hear your

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voice doing a few different interviews

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out there i listened to him doing

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research in this podcast and i've heard

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you on a few things anyway and of course

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the last couple of months i've been

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catching up uh with the series um i

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started watching it when it was on in

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the us originally just uh via via means

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online because it came on a little bit

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later here in the uk and i wanted to

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kind of watch it straight away but i've

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been catching up with it while it's been

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on here as well so it's been great what

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i want to start off with is something i

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heard quite recently on an interview

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you've done previously now we're going

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to talk a lot about skinwalker ranch and

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everything that comes with that but

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you've had your own ufo sighting when

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you were younger and i just wanted to

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hear a little bit about that from you

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thomas

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okay so uh you'd like to know about my

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ufo sighting when i was a when i was a

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yeah you know unfortunately it really

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was pretty um anti-climatic

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i i was uh

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when i was growing up there was an old

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oil refinery that was out on the west

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side of town and and my window in my

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bedroom overlooked that

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and i was up late i mean it was late for

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a kid it was probably like 11 or 12 at

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and i looked out the window and i saw

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this big gorgeous beautiful orange moon

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just out there on the horizon above the

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the refinery i mean it looked identical

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to the moon

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um but it i mean it was just gorgeous

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and it was just out there hovering but

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it wasn't a full moon it was like it was

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like a half moon but it instead of

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it was like on its it was scooped kind

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of like a bowl i guess sitting there out

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big enough and beautiful enough that i

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it definitely caught my attention i

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looked at it i thought wow but then i

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went about my business and and

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i don't remember if i was cleaning up my

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room or what i was doing but when i

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i looked back out the window to see if i

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could get one more look at the moon

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before i went to bed

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and it wasn't there and it was low

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enough on the horizon like it was just

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out there kind of above the refinery

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that i just assumed that it had dropped

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over the horizon or you know it's just

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and didn't think anything else of it and

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the next morning when i got up i was

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telling my mom

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um you know i got up and i was like man

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you should have saw the moon last night

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it was so beautiful

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and my mom said i don't think there was

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a moon last night oh yeah there was i

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saw it it was above the refinery

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and uh so we we had a calendar you know

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hanging there close and we looked at it

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that night there was not a moon so

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i don't know what i saw out there

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hanging above the refinery but it

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definitely was not the moon and that was

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my first uh time of

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seeing an unidentified object i have no

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idea what it was but uh definitely not

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scary i it was it was just big and

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beautiful and

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unknown

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no that's amazing and was that in the

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same sort of area that you live now or

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had you relocated since

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yeah so uh

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i haven't gone far in life um i live i

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actually lived just across the field

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from where i grew up so

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i i live about 40 acres away from

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where my

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childhood home was and

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the whole unit basin has been a very big

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hotbed of ufo sightings and

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objects and anyone that's lived here for

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a number of years

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you'll find that there's a high

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percentage of people that have their own

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stories to share of

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uh unidentified objects up in the air

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and we've had many others over the years

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and obviously it's came to a point where

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skin walker ranches it's grown arms and

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legs uh over the time with its myth and

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its history and it's now culminated in a

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series one and soon to be series two of

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a very very popular show so something

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that one of the listeners sorry i had

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asked uh what exactly is your kind of

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educational background so as a child

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you've had this ufo sighting you then go

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to school college whatever and you have

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a career path that's led you to where

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you are now can you just tell us a

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little bit about that

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i'm kind of uh i've got my fingers into

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a lot of different areas

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uh my i started off

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uh in construction so i went to college

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for construction management

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i got my contractor's license when i was

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you know the requirements for

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contractors license varies even across

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the united states different states have

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different requirements and so in some

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states that's not a very big deal but in

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it actually takes a lot of work and

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it takes at least four years before a

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person can get

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their contractor's license it's kind of

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the equivalent of having a bachelor's

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degree in some ways because you have to

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four years full time under a licensed

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contractor you have to take several

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state tests and pass them in order to

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get this so

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for me it was a big achievement to be

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able to get this at the age of 23 and

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then i started building

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i didn't just want to build any homes i

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wanted to build the biggest best homes

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uh i quickly got into high-end custom

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homes we were doing

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uh very large homes eight nine ten

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thousand square foot homes and um and so

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that's really what kind of got me into

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the ranch was uh

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2008 when we had a recession here in the

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united states and i think it was pretty

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much worldwide construction became very

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hard because people couldn't get loans

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and especially the clients that i was

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specifically dealing with uh high-end

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homes that were you know costing

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hundreds of thousands of dollars on

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millions of dollars

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these took jumbo loans and those went

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my wife and i built a couple small

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motels we decided we needed a plan b

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the viewers may or may not see on the

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series we live in an area where there's

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a lot of oil wells sometimes if like

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when they'll pan the shot if you look

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out in the distance around the ranch

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you'll see a lot of oil wells that are

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we got a lot of oil under the unit basin

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we decided to build these little motels

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and we specialize in high-end

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we are a little boutique hotel we our

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rooms were extremely luxurious and nice

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the the upper end oil field guys um you

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know the engineers and the geologists

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and that and when brandon bought the

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ranch

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he sent jim morris who's the ranch

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manager out

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and this was really the first weekend

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that jim had come out and brandon had

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said you know

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go see if you can wrap your arms around

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what exactly we just picked up and so

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jim came out here and he was going

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through town and he actually ended up

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stopping and staying at my little motel

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that i'd built

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and we got visiting and the next day

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when he was checking out uh

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he we were talking and i'd mentioned

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that i'd built the hotel myself and that

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i was a contractor

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and he said oh well we just bought

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skinwalker ranch i don't know if you've

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ever heard of it

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and of course living in the basin you

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know the the ranch is famous around here

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the sherman family and mr bigelow was

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when i was in high school and so it was

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kind of the height of all this activity

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that was taking place

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and uh

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and so you know in high school we tried

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to sneak out there as kids and and try

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to sneak onto the property and

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so when jim said

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uh

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skin walk match i immediately had my he

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had my interest and he said

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you know being a contractor would you be

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willing to come out and do a property

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inspection for us there's a there's an

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old ranch house there there's a modular

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home that's sitting there

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and we just don't have any idea you know

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what kind of

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condition everything is in so i went and

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did a property inspection for them

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there we found the property to be in a

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state of disrepair um it appears that mr

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bigelow had not spent any money on it

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for several years and it let it

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kind of fall into disrepair

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and so

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i immediately made a list up and and

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brandon asked me to go in and and start

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to

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fix things and upgrade things and after

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about a month

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four or five weeks i hit it off with

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brandon instantly we have a lot in

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common he asked me if i would stay on

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and be the superintendent of the ranch

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and just kind of oversee it where i live

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close

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you know a lot of the ranch team lives

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out on the in salt lake area which is a

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couple hours away and so because of my

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close proximity and because of my

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background and construction it kind of

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made it a perfect uh position for me and

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so i oversee all of the facilities i've

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upgraded it

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the command center the control room that

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you see with all the tvs on the show

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that was

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eric bart and i designed that together

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and then i i built that

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and did all the construction on it and

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so the the helipad

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we've upgraded a lot of the facilities

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the front gate has been upgraded

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and so

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i oversee

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responsibilities are also include

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like anytime we add cameras or

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scientific instrumentation

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it's my job to get all of the

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infrastructure over there so i'm i'm in

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charge of making sure we have power and

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internet

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amenities that are needed to make that

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work it's my job to make sure that we

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have those and then

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i also arrange for the grazing and take

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care of the ranch as far as the making

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sure that the land's cared for that it's

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getting watered

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and uh and then i

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uh my dad is a state senator here in

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utah and i've been heavily involved in

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politics i've ran all of his campaigns

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i've been a campaign manager

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and so

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um i also do a lot of the public

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relations outreach as far as

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any time we have issues that

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need coordinated with the local

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government

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officials i am the one that usually

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reaches out and takes care of those so

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that's my responsibilities in a nutshell

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the kind of my background that got me

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into that was my construction management

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and then you know my

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my

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and being involved in politics so you

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know i got my fingers in a lot of things

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i was going to say and you have not even

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mentioned i believe your ceo of your

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wife's company as well which there was

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not a meditational

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um therapies is that right too

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yeah so

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i actually have a film production

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company and then we have this uh

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we have

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uh residence meditations which

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um

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you know when when it looked like we

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were gonna start filming this last

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summer i we actually ended up selling

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our motels it was just it was too much

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too many irons in the fire

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and so

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um i stepped away from the film

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production company which

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our focus there people hear that and

391
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they think oh well that's why you guys

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are doing a film out there on the ranch

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it had absolutely nothing to do with

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that we actually do family documentaries

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so we're about capturing people's life

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stories and and putting them into movies

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so i stepped away from that

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and i stepped away from the motel

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and uh

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really my wife's my wife's company that

401
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we've started this meditation company is

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um that's

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that's my whole focus so the ranch is

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something that i enjoy doing and i i

405
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work out there every week it is a job

406
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you know i spend at least 30 or 40 hours

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a week on the ranch but my main focus is

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this meditation company of my wife's and

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uh

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and we're we're having amazing results

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with the and changing lives and for me

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that's what it's all about is trying to

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improve the human race so

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absolutely and i would recommend the

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links are on your twitter bio as well

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for as resonance meditation

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yeah

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i won't take much your time here because

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uh it's another issue but i encourage

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people to look into it because uh it's

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going to change the world it's not just

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a typical meditation

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so no absolutely please please check

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that out as well and we'll have a lot of

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lessons interested in those sorts of

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topics too so

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i just want to double back a little bit

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so you talked about what you've grown up

429
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in that area so you know about

430
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skinwalker ranch

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what was your own personal knowledge of

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the ranch it's history the myth

433
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surrounding it what was your view of the

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so

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um i've never even to this day i've

436
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never watched a single one of the

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documentaries on i've never read any of

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the books my knowledge of skinwalker

439
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ranch growing up here was based solely

440
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on a lot of the rumors and stories that

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are going around at church or at school

442
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in the in the local newspapers i haven't

443
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seen any of the movies i haven't read

444
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any of the books

445
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um

446
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and going on to the ranch

447
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you know my excitement for being able to

448
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go on the ranch and i was excited when

449
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jim offered me the chance because here's

450
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this mysterious place that nobody else

451
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gets to go on it was kind of the

452
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notoriety that

453
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you know the ability to go do something

454
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that most people were not able to but as

455
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far as my personal beliefs in it

456
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um you know the whole paranormal stuff

457
00:15:50,790 --> 00:15:49,519
the skin walker all these orbs all the

458
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things have been talked about i didn't

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believe in it

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um

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i i just thought it was people's

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imaginations running wild

463
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and you know part of the problem in the

464
00:16:03,430 --> 00:16:01,759
ufo world and the paranormal world is we

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00:16:06,550 --> 00:16:03,440
have a lot of claims and

466
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have very little evidence to back it up

467
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um i'm just supposed to take your word

468
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that that hairy thing on the on your

469
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screen is not a dust ball but rather you

470
00:16:17,590 --> 00:16:14,880
know some type of

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object up in the sky so

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um it's amazing as far as

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technologically advanced as we are we

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still can't seem to get a clear picture

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of something you know they're all grainy

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and

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fuzzy

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i think you could call me i was a very

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healthy skeptic

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and uh

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i don't i didn't believe in a lot of it

482
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that was that was really my viewpoint

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coming onto the ranch as i'd heard the

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stories

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didn't think there was anything to it

486
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other than just a bunch of uh

487
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imaginations running wild so you touched

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on at the first time you met brandon

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fugle um so i've just started with um

490
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one of the cannot

491
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if you're if you're not huge on social

492
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media like normally like some of us are

493
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then uh and i don't mean huge in a

494
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celebrity way yeah

495
00:17:06,870 --> 00:17:03,920
you've got far more celebrity than i do

496
00:17:08,870 --> 00:17:06,880
god um but one of the guys on twitter

497
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dan at the signal he's been really

498
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prolific in the ufo community for quite

499
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a while he's based in wales and himself

500
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and myself um just in talking about the

501
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skinwalker ranch series decided you know

502
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what while i've started up this podcast

503
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i'd love to try something different and

504
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do a bit of a watch along so me and dan

505
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have started basically

506
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dropping episodes where we watch the

507
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series one episode at a time um and just

508
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talk about it give our thoughts digress

509
00:17:35,350 --> 00:17:33,039
on it you know just kind of go off and

510
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all kind of different tangents um and we

511
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compared in the first episode brandon

512
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fuego to bruce wayne particularly when

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the a first meets travis and they drive

514
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in that car down the you know the

515
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highway and it's just like he's in this

516
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you know i just it couldn't look any

517
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sharper and if he did have a superhero

518
00:17:55,590 --> 00:17:53,120
costume lying across the back seat you

519
00:17:57,110 --> 00:17:55,600
wouldn't be surprised but yeah would

520
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would that be fair and what was it like

521
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meeting brandon fugo for that first time

522
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and you know what was the kind of

523
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conversation

524
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yeah so

525
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when

526
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i met brandon fuegel for the first time

527
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jim morse took me i drove out to salt

528
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lake and jim morse took me into

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brandon's office

530
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and um

531
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brandon

532
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estate broker in the intermountain west

533
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he's

534
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his name is everywhere and and you got

535
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to understand that uh for your viewers

536
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over there

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you know across the pond

538
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the

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brandon advertise brandon is big he's

540
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splashy he is one of the best salesmen

541
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i've ever met in my life as far as

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he

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up

544
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um

545
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brandon's name i swear is like literally

546
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on every single building driving up the

547
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up the interstate

548
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and

549
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he has been incredibly successful so i

550
00:19:09,750 --> 00:19:08,080
knew brandon fuegle by name only i

551
00:19:10,630 --> 00:19:09,760
didn't know who he was all i knew is

552
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that

553
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every impressive building between provo

554
00:19:16,789 --> 00:19:15,440
and salt lake had his name splashed all

555
00:19:17,669 --> 00:19:16,799
over the side of it with his phone

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number

557
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and uh

558
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and so

559
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this guy must be pretty important his

560
00:19:27,430 --> 00:19:24,960
name's everywhere

561
00:19:29,590 --> 00:19:27,440
and you go to his office and again his

562
00:19:32,549 --> 00:19:29,600
office is incredible

563
00:19:34,549 --> 00:19:32,559
and so first you know for a small town

564
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businessman like myself

565
00:19:39,590 --> 00:19:37,440
walking into this new world of of you

566
00:19:41,750 --> 00:19:39,600
know these guys that are just operating

567
00:19:44,470 --> 00:19:41,760
extremely high level it was

568
00:19:47,430 --> 00:19:44,480
um i love it i i don't get intimidated

569
00:19:48,950 --> 00:19:47,440
easy so i wasn't intimidated at all but

570
00:19:51,510 --> 00:19:48,960
it here's a new world i'm being

571
00:19:53,270 --> 00:19:51,520
introduced into and brandon comes in and

572
00:19:55,029 --> 00:19:53,280
he spent i i believe our first

573
00:19:56,710 --> 00:19:55,039
conversation that day was about three

574
00:19:58,870 --> 00:19:56,720
hours long which

575
00:20:00,950 --> 00:19:58,880
for brandon he's he's always going 100

576
00:20:02,950 --> 00:20:00,960
different directions he's he's putting

577
00:20:05,270 --> 00:20:02,960
out a million fires and

578
00:20:07,110 --> 00:20:05,280
um i i wouldn't be surprised if he's got

579
00:20:10,070 --> 00:20:07,120
that superhero cape

580
00:20:12,549 --> 00:20:10,080
uh hidden in the trunk behind the car i

581
00:20:14,390 --> 00:20:12,559
i wouldn't be surprised at all but

582
00:20:15,990 --> 00:20:14,400
our con our first conversation was about

583
00:20:18,630 --> 00:20:16,000
three hours and he

584
00:20:20,950 --> 00:20:18,640
he very meticulously and very

585
00:20:22,470 --> 00:20:20,960
clearly communicated with me why he

586
00:20:24,950 --> 00:20:22,480
bought the ranch

587
00:20:27,909 --> 00:20:24,960
what his vision was for it

588
00:20:30,870 --> 00:20:27,919
um his belief system around it

589
00:20:33,190 --> 00:20:30,880
and then kind of he he laid out where he

590
00:20:35,430 --> 00:20:33,200
thought that i could assist him in in it

591
00:20:38,789 --> 00:20:35,440
and

592
00:20:45,830 --> 00:20:38,799
he

593
00:20:47,750 --> 00:20:45,840
kind of those life's answers like are we

594
00:20:49,590 --> 00:20:47,760
alone in the universe where did we come

595
00:20:51,990 --> 00:20:49,600
from where are we going

596
00:20:53,590 --> 00:20:52,000
and obviously we have you know we have

597
00:20:56,230 --> 00:20:53,600
religious answers to those but he's

598
00:20:57,909 --> 00:20:56,240
really fascinated on on the science side

599
00:20:59,669 --> 00:20:57,919
and and has put his money where his

600
00:21:03,190 --> 00:20:59,679
mouth is you know the ranch is not his

601
00:21:04,870 --> 00:21:03,200
first endeavor into trying to figure out

602
00:21:05,990 --> 00:21:04,880
known he's invested in tech companies

603
00:21:07,350 --> 00:21:06,000
before that

604
00:21:08,470 --> 00:21:07,360
um

605
00:21:10,230 --> 00:21:08,480
were

606
00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:10,240
geared around trying to figure this

607
00:21:13,909 --> 00:21:11,760
stuff out as well

608
00:21:15,669 --> 00:21:13,919
and so when he had this opportunity to

609
00:21:17,590 --> 00:21:15,679
buy this mysterious ranch where these

610
00:21:19,029 --> 00:21:17,600
things were supposedly going on he he

611
00:21:20,390 --> 00:21:19,039
jumped on it

612
00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:20,400
and uh

613
00:21:24,310 --> 00:21:21,840
he's

614
00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:24,320
brandon is one of the coolest human

615
00:21:26,950 --> 00:21:25,919
beings that i've had the privilege of

616
00:21:30,789 --> 00:21:26,960
meeting

617
00:21:32,549 --> 00:21:30,799
um when you see him on tv people i i i

618
00:21:34,950 --> 00:21:32,559
read some of the message boards and that

619
00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:34,960
and you hear brandon like in the first

620
00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:36,960
episode when he's like all right eric

621
00:21:41,270 --> 00:21:38,640
get the case

622
00:21:43,029 --> 00:21:41,280
you know he's being like serious

623
00:21:45,029 --> 00:21:43,039
like people are like oh they're

624
00:21:47,590 --> 00:21:45,039
dramatizing this but those of us that

625
00:21:50,950 --> 00:21:47,600
know bran and fugal like that is brandon

626
00:21:53,350 --> 00:21:50,960
fugle that's not acting like he

627
00:21:55,510 --> 00:21:53,360
uh what what can i say he eats his

628
00:21:57,510 --> 00:21:55,520
up he just

629
00:22:00,149 --> 00:21:57,520
he loves his stuff it's what he's grown

630
00:22:03,350 --> 00:22:00,159
up in and so that's not brandon acting

631
00:22:05,830 --> 00:22:03,360
like that is really brandon he he's very

632
00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:05,840
um he he's just a great person to be

633
00:22:09,590 --> 00:22:08,400
around he's very open very transparent

634
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:09,600
um

635
00:22:13,990 --> 00:22:12,480
and very caring i watch

636
00:22:15,750 --> 00:22:14,000
people have no idea how much brandon

637
00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:15,760
does for those people around him he's a

638
00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:18,480
very caring human being

639
00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:20,640
and he he

640
00:22:24,549 --> 00:22:22,240
he's a good guy i can't say enough good

641
00:22:25,990 --> 00:22:24,559
about brandon but his intentions here is

642
00:22:28,070 --> 00:22:26,000
purely to get to the bottom of this

643
00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:28,080
mystery and try to figure it out

644
00:22:33,110 --> 00:22:30,480
and uh to be very transparent about it

645
00:22:34,470 --> 00:22:33,120
he doesn't have an agenda

646
00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:34,480
yeah and i think something that comes

647
00:22:38,950 --> 00:22:36,720
across with brandon and just it's very

648
00:22:41,110 --> 00:22:38,960
factual whether you like him or not

649
00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:41,120
he doesn't have to do this he has put

650
00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:42,960
his own money into this

651
00:22:46,870 --> 00:22:44,880
this is not a money-making scheme

652
00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:46,880
because i think anyone who's in the ufo

653
00:22:50,710 --> 00:22:48,480
community there are very few people who

654
00:22:52,870 --> 00:22:50,720
make money from it this is a guy who's

655
00:22:55,029 --> 00:22:52,880
got enough money and as you see enough

656
00:22:57,029 --> 00:22:55,039
other projects that this is definitely a

657
00:22:58,470 --> 00:22:57,039
labor of love for them as well

658
00:22:59,990 --> 00:22:58,480
and something i think obviously

659
00:23:01,990 --> 00:23:00,000
brandon's came out in most of our lives

660
00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:02,000
through the show like yourself

661
00:23:05,830 --> 00:23:04,480
and until you appear on the show and we

662
00:23:08,710 --> 00:23:05,840
get to know you that's when you start

663
00:23:10,470 --> 00:23:08,720
existing for most people so was that

664
00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:10,480
meeting with brandon am i right insane

665
00:23:15,669 --> 00:23:13,360
around 2017

666
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:15,679
uh so i think that my first meeting with

667
00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:18,000
him would have been like either april or

668
00:23:21,510 --> 00:23:20,080
may of 2016.

669
00:23:24,149 --> 00:23:21,520
okay so

670
00:23:26,230 --> 00:23:24,159
for for me your your life or existence

671
00:23:28,230 --> 00:23:26,240
came into being around at the start of

672
00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:28,240
this year but this tv tells me that no

673
00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:29,919
no this was last summer

674
00:23:33,669 --> 00:23:31,600
what were you doing then from that

675
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:33,679
meeting with brandon until we saw you on

676
00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:35,280
the screens because you clearly had a

677
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:38,720
job an important job on the ranch

678
00:23:41,909 --> 00:23:40,080
yeah so

679
00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:41,919
um like i said the property was in

680
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,789
mr bigelow

681
00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:50,390
you know we we know very little about

682
00:23:55,269 --> 00:23:52,960
what mr bigelow did or did not do during

683
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:55,279
his time on skinwalker ranch he it's

684
00:23:59,190 --> 00:23:56,159
still

685
00:24:00,630 --> 00:23:59,200
uh locked away behind uh

686
00:24:02,630 --> 00:24:00,640
you know it's

687
00:24:05,269 --> 00:24:02,640
it's still hidden and he hasn't come

688
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:05,279
forth with any information and

689
00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:07,760
in turning over the ranch to brandon the

690
00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:10,000
only thing that brandon received when he

691
00:24:13,990 --> 00:24:11,760
purchased the ranch was the real estate

692
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:14,000
documents that are required by law you

693
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:16,799
know soils tests and some of the things

694
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:19,200
that prove that the property is

695
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:20,720
there's no nothing dangerous on the

696
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:24,240
property as far as radioactive or

697
00:24:29,590 --> 00:24:27,360
you're in utah real estate disclosures

698
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:29,600
require that you disclose you know if

699
00:24:31,750 --> 00:24:30,480
there's something wrong with the

700
00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:31,760
property you're supposed to disclose it

701
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:34,080
to the buyers so there was those type of

702
00:24:36,310 --> 00:24:35,039
things

703
00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:36,320
um but

704
00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:38,159
there was no scientific data that was

705
00:24:43,669 --> 00:24:42,320
turned over nothing and when we came on

706
00:24:45,190 --> 00:24:43,679
it was hard to tell that there had been

707
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:45,200
a scientific

708
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:46,799
uh effort at all

709
00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:48,720
and so we we basically started from

710
00:24:51,909 --> 00:24:50,320
scratch

711
00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:51,919
brandon's

712
00:24:54,310 --> 00:24:53,200
that first meeting that i was with

713
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:54,320
brandon

714
00:24:59,590 --> 00:24:56,880
he explained to me that he bought this

715
00:25:02,149 --> 00:24:59,600
property and he wasn't even sure if

716
00:25:04,470 --> 00:25:02,159
there was anything to all of this uh

717
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:04,480
because miss wiggles transferred over

718
00:25:07,830 --> 00:25:05,840
any data

719
00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:07,840
he wasn't sure if this was a bunch of

720
00:25:12,310 --> 00:25:10,080
stories or if there was actually

721
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:12,320
something strange happening at the ranch

722
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:13,600
and so

723
00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:14,880
uh he

724
00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:18,159
he wanted me to meet his prime uh his

725
00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:20,320
principal investigator eric bard who's a

726
00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:23,360
trusted confidant of of brandon's

727
00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:25,840
um and one of the greatest scientists i

728
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:29,440
mean this guy is just brilliant and so

729
00:25:34,630 --> 00:25:32,000
disciplined in his approach

730
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:34,640
and so meticulous about the way that he

731
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:36,480
does his science

732
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:39,840
he's above reproach and

733
00:25:44,310 --> 00:25:41,520
brandon said

734
00:25:46,149 --> 00:25:44,320
for the first little while i want you to

735
00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:46,159
make as little

736
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:48,640
disturbances as possible

737
00:25:55,110 --> 00:25:52,559
and i just want to observe and see

738
00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:55,120
if we can see anything going on

739
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:58,080
and so even when we when we

740
00:26:03,269 --> 00:26:00,640
went and put cameras up bigelow had some

741
00:26:05,029 --> 00:26:03,279
old camera he'd put his cameras inside

742
00:26:07,990 --> 00:26:05,039
of these metal

743
00:26:10,149 --> 00:26:08,000
housing casings out there on a pole and

744
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:10,159
so we actually just took his cameras out

745
00:26:13,669 --> 00:26:12,480
because they were obsolete and just they

746
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:13,679
were no good

747
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:15,600
and when we put our cameras we actually

748
00:26:20,470 --> 00:26:17,840
put them inside just so that the outside

749
00:26:22,950 --> 00:26:20,480
appearance didn't change at all we

750
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:22,960
didn't want to broadcast

751
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:24,640
any um

752
00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:26,400
that we were there really that we were

753
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:28,559
trying to watch and so we were trying to

754
00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:30,960
we were just in a state of observation

755
00:26:36,070 --> 00:26:33,840
and so for the first 12 to even maybe 16

756
00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:36,080
months that brandon owned the ranch

757
00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:39,200
um we were in a observation period where

758
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:41,039
we were just trying to see

759
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:42,880
is there something happening at

760
00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:44,720
skinwalker ranch

761
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:47,679
and uh it didn't take very long and

762
00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:49,919
matter of fact brandon had his first ufo

763
00:26:54,789 --> 00:26:52,080
sighting on the ranch i think six months

764
00:26:57,909 --> 00:26:54,799
after he purchased the property

765
00:26:59,669 --> 00:26:57,919
you know going into the fall here

766
00:27:01,269 --> 00:26:59,679
but it didn't take very long before we

767
00:27:02,710 --> 00:27:01,279
started to witness things that were

768
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:02,720
unexplainable

769
00:27:07,590 --> 00:27:04,320
and

770
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:07,600
the answer became very clear that yes

771
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:10,240
there is something strange taking place

772
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:12,240
on skinwalker ranch

773
00:27:15,269 --> 00:27:14,400
and uh and then

774
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:15,279
about

775
00:27:21,029 --> 00:27:18,960
i'd say early 2017 the discussion began

776
00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:21,039
to shift from

777
00:27:25,669 --> 00:27:23,360
is there something happening to

778
00:27:28,389 --> 00:27:25,679
there is something happening now what do

779
00:27:30,470 --> 00:27:28,399
we do about it what is the next step

780
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:30,480
and that's when we started to transition

781
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:31,600
into

782
00:27:35,110 --> 00:27:33,600
taking some pretty aggressive steps to

783
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:35,120
update the

784
00:27:40,149 --> 00:27:38,480
infrastructure brandon is very wealthy

785
00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:40,159
but he's wealthy because he's smart with

786
00:27:44,070 --> 00:27:42,159
his money he just didn't start dumping

787
00:27:48,789 --> 00:27:44,080
money a million directions

788
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:48,799
our our investment has always been um

789
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:50,880
it's always followed the data

790
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:51,840
so

791
00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:53,760
for example the first camera system that

792
00:27:59,909 --> 00:27:56,080
we put out on the ranch was a very

793
00:28:01,510 --> 00:27:59,919
inexpensive low-grade low-quality system

794
00:28:03,029 --> 00:28:01,520
it was simply there to just see if we

795
00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:03,039
could capture and once we started

796
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:04,480
capturing stuff

797
00:28:08,230 --> 00:28:06,240
then brandon's then brandon

798
00:28:10,389 --> 00:28:08,240
incrementally started to increase the

799
00:28:12,789 --> 00:28:10,399
quality of the cameras and the

800
00:28:14,950 --> 00:28:12,799
surveillance systems that we had based

801
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:14,960
on the data that we were getting and

802
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:16,720
we've we've spent money on things and

803
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:18,320
haven't got any results and so there's

804
00:28:21,269 --> 00:28:20,159
no sense spending even more money in

805
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:21,279
that area

806
00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:23,600
and so our spending has been focused

807
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:25,600
solely on where we're getting the

808
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:28,080
results so my time out at the ranch in

809
00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:30,720
the last four years was um

810
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:32,960
it is a ranch that requires care it

811
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:34,799
needs to be irrigated

812
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:36,880
you have to you have to get livestock on

813
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:38,640
there or else it turns into a big fire

814
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:40,640
hazard because the grass grows two feet

815
00:28:43,830 --> 00:28:42,159
tall in the spring

816
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:43,840
and then because we're in a desert by

817
00:28:48,789 --> 00:28:46,720
august it's just so dead and dry that

818
00:28:49,990 --> 00:28:48,799
even a spark would just burn the whole

819
00:28:52,549 --> 00:28:50,000
place down

820
00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:52,559
uh the cows come in they eat the grass

821
00:28:56,389 --> 00:28:54,480
down and then it doesn't it doesn't do

822
00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:56,399
that so

823
00:29:01,110 --> 00:28:59,039
um the fences the i mean there's so much

824
00:29:02,230 --> 00:29:01,120
maintenance just just with a regular

825
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:02,240
ranch

826
00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:04,880
that takes place that that i was trying

827
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:06,640
to take care of and then you when you

828
00:29:12,549 --> 00:29:09,600
add on to that the science once and once

829
00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:12,559
2017 started that's when we started to

830
00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:14,880
make aggressive changes and really

831
00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:16,720
so then the whole narrative of my injury

832
00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:19,120
comes into play because

833
00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:22,240
it was it was march of 2017 when i had

834
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:24,240
that severe injury and it

835
00:29:29,110 --> 00:29:26,559
you know maybe coincidentally maybe not

836
00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:29,120
we don't know for sure we can't say

837
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:30,399
positively

838
00:29:35,110 --> 00:29:32,720
but that's when i started to do some

839
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:35,120
major excavation on the ranch

840
00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:36,880
in conjunction with upgrading the

841
00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:39,200
facilities and then

842
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:41,440
you know i start i start changing the

843
00:29:46,230 --> 00:29:44,080
landscape drastically putting in some

844
00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:46,240
roads and things for security to be able

845
00:29:52,389 --> 00:29:48,880
to get around on the ranch and um

846
00:29:54,549 --> 00:29:52,399
and then i i end up with this injury so

847
00:29:56,549 --> 00:29:54,559
um i've been very busy over the past

848
00:29:58,230 --> 00:29:56,559
four years i've installed every single

849
00:30:01,430 --> 00:29:58,240
camera on the place

850
00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:01,440
every i i've run miles and miles of

851
00:30:05,669 --> 00:30:04,720
power lines and internet lines

852
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:05,679
um

853
00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:06,720
i've

854
00:30:13,269 --> 00:30:10,880
system the wastewater system was

855
00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:13,279
completely shot we've replaced that

856
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:16,000
the old ranch house had a lot of mold

857
00:30:19,350 --> 00:30:18,240
issues and stuff in it that we had to

858
00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:19,360
take care of

859
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:22,399
i obviously put in the helipad

860
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:23,600
and um

861
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:25,520
we remodeled the command center it was

862
00:30:28,710 --> 00:30:27,600
just a dumpy old little modular trailer

863
00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:28,720
that was

864
00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:30,880
uh complete shambles we've remodeled

865
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:32,720
that to what you see on television so

866
00:30:35,110 --> 00:30:34,080
that's what i've been doing the last

867
00:30:37,029 --> 00:30:35,120
four years

868
00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:37,039
that's amazing and there must have been

869
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:38,880
i mean as much hard work as that sounds

870
00:30:43,269 --> 00:30:40,880
getting to create that little command

871
00:30:45,029 --> 00:30:43,279
center as like a tech geek stream when

872
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:45,039
that door opened for the first time and

873
00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:47,520
you see all those screens it's like i

874
00:30:50,950 --> 00:30:49,679
paused the tv that i was watching and

875
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:50,960
you know i was just looking around going

876
00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:52,799
oh my god how many tvs so they've got at

877
00:30:57,190 --> 00:30:55,760
least nine ten eleven twelve cameras on

878
00:30:59,509 --> 00:30:57,200
display just now and then i've got so

879
00:31:01,190 --> 00:30:59,519
many tvs here and there's just boxes

880
00:31:03,110 --> 00:31:01,200
everywhere and you would just love five

881
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:03,120
ten minutes in that room to go and just

882
00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:04,559
mess about with it to see what you can

883
00:31:08,789 --> 00:31:06,880
do so that must have been a lot of fun

884
00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:08,799
can i just ask then so that kind of

885
00:31:12,549 --> 00:31:10,640
takes us up to the canal more almost

886
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:12,559
present day the last year or so when do

887
00:31:15,509 --> 00:31:14,000
you first start to hear that there's

888
00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:15,519
potentially going to be a show made

889
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:17,679
about the ranch was that quite a quick

890
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:19,120
process or was it something that was

891
00:31:24,310 --> 00:31:21,200
always in the offing

892
00:31:27,909 --> 00:31:24,320
now so um

893
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:27,919
it's something that once we determined

894
00:31:31,269 --> 00:31:29,360
that there was something happening on

895
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:31,279
the ranch and that discussion turned

896
00:31:35,509 --> 00:31:33,840
okay yeah we're seeing things happen

897
00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:35,519
here now what do we do with this

898
00:31:39,190 --> 00:31:37,360
information do we

899
00:31:41,909 --> 00:31:39,200
do we keep it to ourselves like bigelow

900
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:41,919
did do we share out in a public forum

901
00:31:45,669 --> 00:31:44,159
and if we share it in a public forum

902
00:31:47,509 --> 00:31:45,679
like how do you do that is that just

903
00:31:49,110 --> 00:31:47,519
something like we make a youtube video

904
00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:49,120
and put it up do we

905
00:31:51,909 --> 00:31:50,399
like is this something you put in the

906
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:51,919
science journal

907
00:31:57,110 --> 00:31:54,880
uh it really became how do you how do

908
00:32:00,070 --> 00:31:57,120
you release this information

909
00:32:01,430 --> 00:32:00,080
and about the same time

910
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:01,440
and i'm i want to make sure you get my

911
00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:03,600
dates here right but um

912
00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:05,440
the entire time we owned the ranch one

913
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:06,880
of the first things we had to do there

914
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:08,159
was a road that went right through the

915
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:09,760
middle of the ranch that was a public

916
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:10,799
road

917
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:12,320
and

918
00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:14,799
when we bought it the county notified

919
00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:17,120
brandon that we couldn't lock the gate

920
00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:18,880
anymore it was a public road we had to

921
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:21,360
let the public go across

922
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:23,039
which

923
00:32:26,389 --> 00:32:24,720
put a lot of panic through the team

924
00:32:29,590 --> 00:32:26,399
because it's like how can you carry on

925
00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:29,600
an ongoing science investigation

926
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:31,360
if you've got tourists going through the

927
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:33,760
middle of your laboratory

928
00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:35,039
and so

929
00:32:40,389 --> 00:32:37,360
i you i was able to go to the county and

930
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:40,399
get that road vacated and shut down

931
00:32:45,909 --> 00:32:43,120
and uh when i did that it required

932
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:45,919
public hearings and brandon

933
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:48,080
he didn't want this to stigmatize his

934
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:49,760
business uh you know this whole

935
00:32:53,830 --> 00:32:52,480
paranormal world doesn't always mix well

936
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:53,840
when you're talking about business

937
00:32:57,029 --> 00:32:55,440
professionals in real estate and you're

938
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:57,039
trying to sell a building to people and

939
00:33:00,310 --> 00:32:58,720
they think you're a quack

940
00:33:01,990 --> 00:33:00,320
you know because you you're chasing

941
00:33:03,269 --> 00:33:02,000
ghosts and goblins

942
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:03,279
so brandon

943
00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:05,120
was very

944
00:33:09,750 --> 00:33:07,440
very adamant that people not know his

945
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:09,760
identity so anytime we had to go public

946
00:33:13,509 --> 00:33:11,360
with something we always did it through

947
00:33:15,029 --> 00:33:13,519
my name so i was the one that attended

948
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:15,039
the public hearings

949
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:17,840
i was the one that got the road vacated

950
00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:18,720
um

951
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:21,440
we did brandon let me he he reached out

952
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:22,960
and said hey release a few of these

953
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:25,440
photos on the internet so i would put a

954
00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:27,600
few photos out so when people went

955
00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:29,840
searching for skinwalker ranch my name

956
00:33:33,269 --> 00:33:31,360
was the only one that they could find

957
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:33,279
associated with it

958
00:33:38,549 --> 00:33:35,440
and because of that

959
00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:38,559
i i had both the blessing and the curse

960
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:40,240
of having

961
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:42,000
hundreds of people reach out to me on a

962
00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:43,440
regular basis

963
00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:45,600
asking can we come on the ranch or we

964
00:33:49,509 --> 00:33:47,760
want this or we want that and part of

965
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:49,519
that was is at least once or twice a

966
00:33:55,350 --> 00:33:52,399
month i got solicited from some type of

967
00:33:57,190 --> 00:33:55,360
movie producer or product tv producer

968
00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:57,200
that was wanting to do a show on

969
00:34:00,389 --> 00:33:58,799
skinwalker ranch

970
00:34:01,669 --> 00:34:00,399
and i'd always just take

971
00:34:03,669 --> 00:34:01,679
most of them

972
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:03,679
uh brandon kind of charged me with the

973
00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:05,519
task of vetting through them and and

974
00:34:10,069 --> 00:34:07,600
picking out which ones are serious

975
00:34:12,069 --> 00:34:10,079
not just tv pursue producers but anybody

976
00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:12,079
that contacted us in regards to the

977
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:13,839
ranch

978
00:34:17,669 --> 00:34:15,919
and uh so brandon

979
00:34:19,510 --> 00:34:17,679
brandon would have me vet him and and

980
00:34:21,669 --> 00:34:19,520
i'd have these tv people

981
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:21,679
reach out and i would like and

982
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:22,960
uh no

983
00:34:28,950 --> 00:34:26,560
and so 99 of them got filtered out

984
00:34:30,629 --> 00:34:28,960
and i had one guy about the same time

985
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:30,639
now the discussion is we're starting to

986
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:32,079
have this discussion of well how do we

987
00:34:35,829 --> 00:34:34,879
release this to the public i had a tv

988
00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:35,839
producer

989
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:36,800
named

990
00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:38,960
tj allard he's one of the executive

991
00:34:41,669 --> 00:34:40,639
producers on the show

992
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:41,679
and

993
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:45,280
himself

994
00:34:48,310 --> 00:34:46,240
and

995
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:48,320
eventually convinced me into taking a

996
00:34:51,909 --> 00:34:49,440
phone call

997
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:51,919
and he pitched this idea of allowing tv

998
00:34:58,069 --> 00:34:55,200
cameras to come on and and document our

999
00:35:01,030 --> 00:34:58,079
our uh process

1000
00:35:02,630 --> 00:35:01,040
our science investigation and so

1001
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:02,640
i

1002
00:35:08,069 --> 00:35:06,160
know

1003
00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:08,079
you're always welcome to continue to

1004
00:35:12,790 --> 00:35:09,839
call back that's fine you know you're a

1005
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:12,800
nice guy i'll take your call well tj

1006
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:14,880
then started to reach out to me every

1007
00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:17,040
single month and he did so for almost a

1008
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:18,160
year

1009
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:21,119
um hey man just checking in you think

1010
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:22,079
you think that's something you guys

1011
00:35:25,829 --> 00:35:23,440
would be interested in

1012
00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:25,839
well about month six or seven eight of

1013
00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:28,400
this i i don't know the exact time but

1014
00:35:31,109 --> 00:35:29,200
um

1015
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:31,119
i i did reach out to brandon and i said

1016
00:35:36,069 --> 00:35:33,599
you know we're having this discussion on

1017
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:36,079
on how to release this

1018
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:38,960
um i've got this tv guy that's pitched

1019
00:35:42,230 --> 00:35:40,800
this idea and he's he's been pretty

1020
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:42,240
persistent

1021
00:35:46,230 --> 00:35:44,640
and brandon at the time was like i don't

1022
00:35:47,829 --> 00:35:46,240
know you know i don't know if we really

1023
00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:47,839
want to do that

1024
00:35:51,829 --> 00:35:50,079
and i was like no problem you know and

1025
00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:51,839
then as time went on tj kept being

1026
00:35:55,510 --> 00:35:53,680
persistent finally i said all right i'll

1027
00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:55,520
let you talk to jim morse jim's the

1028
00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:56,640
manager

1029
00:35:59,829 --> 00:35:58,320
and if jim thinks it's a good idea then

1030
00:36:01,990 --> 00:35:59,839
we'll take you to brandon

1031
00:36:03,109 --> 00:36:02,000
so jim talked to him for another couple

1032
00:36:05,349 --> 00:36:03,119
of months

1033
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:05,359
and then finally jim's like yeah tj's

1034
00:36:09,430 --> 00:36:07,760
the real deal he's a good guy it's worth

1035
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:09,440
having a conversation

1036
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:12,240
so then tj i think tj may have even

1037
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:14,240
flown in to talk to brandon i'm not sure

1038
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:15,839
about that but um

1039
00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:18,560
tj finally got to talk to brandon

1040
00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:19,839
and uh

1041
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:22,480
and thus the idea of

1042
00:36:27,670 --> 00:36:26,640
the whole network series came into being

1043
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:27,680
and uh

1044
00:36:31,349 --> 00:36:29,520
and that's kind of how it came to be so

1045
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:31,359
it's not something that we went out

1046
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:32,640
looking for

1047
00:36:35,589 --> 00:36:33,520
um

1048
00:36:37,990 --> 00:36:35,599
i have to give tj a lot of credit for

1049
00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:38,000
being persistent and following up every

1050
00:36:42,390 --> 00:36:40,640
single month and uh kip

1051
00:36:44,710 --> 00:36:42,400
he just didn't give up so

1052
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:44,720
it took a long time before from from

1053
00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:46,800
when we were first contacted and then

1054
00:36:50,230 --> 00:36:48,560
even after that point that he had that

1055
00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:50,240
conversation with the brand and then i

1056
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:52,400
think you know it was a long time after

1057
00:36:59,270 --> 00:36:57,119
that that before it became a reality so

1058
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:59,280
i mean so on the ranch at this point

1059
00:37:02,390 --> 00:37:00,400
we're getting to the point now we're

1060
00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:02,400
about to start filming the show

1061
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:06,000
is it yourself jim morse is jim segala

1062
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:12,240
there as well um so our our ranch team

1063
00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:14,640
from the beginning has basically been

1064
00:37:19,030 --> 00:37:17,200
myself and eric bard the principal

1065
00:37:19,990 --> 00:37:19,040
investigator jim morse who's the ranch

1066
00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:20,000
manager

1067
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:23,440
and um bryant arnold dragon

1068
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:24,240
uh

1069
00:37:27,270 --> 00:37:26,160
he's been there from the beginning

1070
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:27,280
and then

1071
00:37:30,790 --> 00:37:29,520
jim sagala

1072
00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:30,800
um

1073
00:37:35,109 --> 00:37:32,720
he has an interesting pass in the fact

1074
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:35,119
that he has done a lot of work that is

1075
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:37,440
tied in with the ranch through others

1076
00:37:41,670 --> 00:37:39,839
through other individuals so um he's

1077
00:37:44,790 --> 00:37:41,680
tied in with some of the scientists that

1078
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:44,800
worked for mr bigelow um on

1079
00:37:50,470 --> 00:37:47,599
mr bigelow's investigation and so jim

1080
00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:50,480
segala had a lot of knowledge as far as

1081
00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:54,079
the big low days and then with my injury

1082
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:57,119
that's kind of jim sagalas he was one of

1083
00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:59,760
the three individuals that investigated

1084
00:38:01,750 --> 00:38:00,480
my

1085
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:01,760
head injury

1086
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:03,119
and so

1087
00:38:07,829 --> 00:38:05,280
it made sense to bring him in

1088
00:38:10,870 --> 00:38:07,839
because one he he's coming at it from

1089
00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:10,880
kind of that biomedical side um with

1090
00:38:15,109 --> 00:38:12,640
with my injury

1091
00:38:16,630 --> 00:38:15,119
and uh and then he also had you know

1092
00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:16,640
pretty good knowledge of some of the

1093
00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:18,480
things that bigelow

1094
00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:19,520
um

1095
00:38:23,829 --> 00:38:22,000
had done during bigelow days so

1096
00:38:26,310 --> 00:38:23,839
he's been tied into the ranch for quite

1097
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:26,320
some time but not necessarily like on

1098
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:29,040
our branch team if that makes sense

1099
00:38:33,829 --> 00:38:30,960
yeah of course that's really interesting

1100
00:38:35,910 --> 00:38:33,839
to know how did things start to change

1101
00:38:38,790 --> 00:38:35,920
on a day-to-day running of the ranch as

1102
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:38,800
the cameras and crew and i'm guessing tj

1103
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:40,720
and his people start to come in for for

1104
00:38:44,550 --> 00:38:42,720
you guys because you've now had it what

1105
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:44,560
two two to three years at this point

1106
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:46,880
working on the ranch and

1107
00:38:50,790 --> 00:38:48,880
i'm guessing things changed to some

1108
00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:50,800
degree what was that like

1109
00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:53,680
yeah so they absolutely did change i

1110
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:54,400
mean

1111
00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:55,680
um

1112
00:38:59,670 --> 00:38:57,760
you know

1113
00:39:01,349 --> 00:38:59,680
while jim segall had been on the ranch

1114
00:39:02,710 --> 00:39:01,359
several times before and he'd been

1115
00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:02,720
working

1116
00:39:07,829 --> 00:39:05,599
behind the scenes on on my investigation

1117
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:07,839
on my head injury and

1118
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:09,359
been working on some of the science as

1119
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:10,320
well

1120
00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:12,560
travis was new to the scene

1121
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:14,240
you know we're bringing on a new

1122
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:16,400
skeptical scientist

1123
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:18,240
and uh

1124
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:20,240
when you bring a new scientist down it

1125
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:21,760
almost is like you have to go back to

1126
00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:23,200
the beginning and say we've done this

1127
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:24,560
this this this

1128
00:39:28,710 --> 00:39:26,400
and and then they want to of course see

1129
00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:28,720
that for themselves they want to

1130
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:30,160
they want to

1131
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:32,320
be able to verify for themselves what's

1132
00:39:35,670 --> 00:39:34,320
going on

1133
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:35,680
and then

1134
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:37,359
it

1135
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:39,520
the investigation

1136
00:39:43,750 --> 00:39:41,760
so it is authentic on tv as far as we're

1137
00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:43,760
not we're not dramatizing it's not

1138
00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:44,800
scripted

1139
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:46,720
they left it up to us to do what we

1140
00:39:49,829 --> 00:39:48,800
wanted to do i was never told what to

1141
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:49,839
say

1142
00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:52,640
um as far as like hey you know do this

1143
00:39:56,950 --> 00:39:54,800
or do that

1144
00:39:59,990 --> 00:39:56,960
so it's authentic that way but it did

1145
00:40:01,750 --> 00:40:00,000
change the fact that

1146
00:40:03,589 --> 00:40:01,760
there's a lot of the science that would

1147
00:40:06,309 --> 00:40:03,599
just put people to sleep

1148
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:06,319
it's definitely not made for tv

1149
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:07,440
and so

1150
00:40:11,270 --> 00:40:09,359
for those couple of months that you have

1151
00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:11,280
the cameras there you're really focused

1152
00:40:14,470 --> 00:40:12,960
more on the visuals

1153
00:40:15,510 --> 00:40:14,480
side of things

1154
00:40:17,670 --> 00:40:15,520
um

1155
00:40:19,589 --> 00:40:17,680
we've been trying to process the data

1156
00:40:22,230 --> 00:40:19,599
from the summer filming

1157
00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:22,240
since the cameras turned off and went

1158
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:23,119
away

1159
00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:24,720
because we gathered a lot of data and

1160
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:25,920
then you're trying to go through and

1161
00:40:30,230 --> 00:40:28,160
post process it figure out

1162
00:40:31,270 --> 00:40:30,240
you know plot it figure out what it all

1163
00:40:34,470 --> 00:40:31,280
means

1164
00:40:35,430 --> 00:40:34,480
um so it changes in the in the format

1165
00:40:38,309 --> 00:40:35,440
that

1166
00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:38,319
um we're trying to share what what our

1167
00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:40,800
investigation is with the audience

1168
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:42,720
um which is legit

1169
00:40:46,550 --> 00:40:45,119
um but at the same time

1170
00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:46,560
uh

1171
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:48,640
even things like when we're measuring rf

1172
00:40:53,829 --> 00:40:51,440
for example we're out there well we're

1173
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:53,839
all wearing microphones

1174
00:40:57,510 --> 00:40:56,160
um the cameras are all broadcasting

1175
00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:57,520
wirelessly

1176
00:41:02,470 --> 00:41:00,240
like we're creating a lot of radio

1177
00:41:04,309 --> 00:41:02,480
frequencies just by our presence being

1178
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:04,319
there there's nothing abnormal about

1179
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:06,480
that so when you have a meter and it's

1180
00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:08,880
spiking and it's showing high levels of

1181
00:41:13,349 --> 00:41:11,200
rf

1182
00:41:16,790 --> 00:41:13,359
well a lot of that could just be caused

1183
00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:16,800
by our cameras and our microphones and

1184
00:41:20,230 --> 00:41:18,960
our self-emitted

1185
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:20,240
all our cell phones and all the

1186
00:41:23,030 --> 00:41:21,760
equipment that's there

1187
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:23,040
and so

1188
00:41:27,910 --> 00:41:25,200
the process becomes a little harder

1189
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:27,920
because you have to eliminate the known

1190
00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:30,240
sources from the unknown sources which

1191
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:31,440
means if you're starting to see those

1192
00:41:34,630 --> 00:41:33,440
spikes you got to turn off the cameras

1193
00:41:35,829 --> 00:41:34,640
you got to turn off the microphones you

1194
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:35,839
got to turn off the cell phones you've

1195
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:37,680
got to eliminate everything you possibly

1196
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:40,480
can that might be emitting that signal

1197
00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:42,560
so that you can tell that that signal is

1198
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:45,680
legit and not just

1199
00:41:49,829 --> 00:41:47,200
man-made

1200
00:41:52,150 --> 00:41:49,839
so there's a lot of that stuff that we

1201
00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:52,160
you have to learn how to work with the

1202
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:53,760
film crew

1203
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:56,640
and try to figure out uh we're out there

1204
00:41:59,349 --> 00:41:58,319
with you know i think it's episode three

1205
00:42:01,589 --> 00:41:59,359
when we're out there trying to

1206
00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:01,599
triangulate and there's a camera shot of

1207
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:02,800
us like

1208
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:05,760
we got these coffee cans it's jim sagala

1209
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:07,280
and travis and i we got these coffee

1210
00:42:12,390 --> 00:42:10,240
cans with these little rf meters right

1211
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:12,400
and i've taken a lot of criticism for

1212
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:14,880
this as i'm sure travis and jim were

1213
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:17,760
like holding this rf meter out in front

1214
00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:20,160
of the coffee can which obviously

1215
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:22,560
defeats the whole purpose

1216
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:23,599
and

1217
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:26,880
using those right you guys don't know

1218
00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:28,400
what the heck you're doing

1219
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:29,200
well

1220
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:31,440
when the when the meter is inside the

1221
00:42:35,349 --> 00:42:33,440
coffee can and you've got to hold it so

1222
00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:35,359
that you can still see inside the can

1223
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:36,960
and see the meter

1224
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:38,400
but

1225
00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:41,040
uh keep it inside the camera can't see

1226
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:43,280
that it it doesn't make for a good

1227
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:45,359
camera shot for the audience

1228
00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:47,839
so it's balancing it's it's like

1229
00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:49,920
actually doing the exercise

1230
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:52,480
and then being able to film it in a way

1231
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:54,400
that the audience could get an idea of

1232
00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:55,599
what it is that we're trying to

1233
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:57,680
accomplish and so

1234
00:43:01,349 --> 00:43:00,000
there's so much of that that's like oh

1235
00:43:02,710 --> 00:43:01,359
we need to

1236
00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:02,720
you got to pull that out of the can

1237
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:03,839
where we can pick that up with the

1238
00:43:08,950 --> 00:43:06,640
camera and uh so that's a lot of the

1239
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:08,960
adjustments was trying to trying to

1240
00:43:13,589 --> 00:43:10,880
learn how to do the science

1241
00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:13,599
and make it work for the camera guys so

1242
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:15,359
that we can give them their sexy shot

1243
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:17,280
that's gonna you know bring ratings to

1244
00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:19,440
the television show this is something

1245
00:43:24,630 --> 00:43:21,520
i've addressed with dan when we do the

1246
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:24,640
watch along show and i love the show and

1247
00:43:28,630 --> 00:43:26,560
i've i kind of compared it to the the

1248
00:43:30,069 --> 00:43:28,640
unidentified series with tom delong and

1249
00:43:31,510 --> 00:43:30,079
louise elizondo i don't know if you

1250
00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:31,520
watched any of that

1251
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:33,760
um around obviously the tic tac ufo and

1252
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:36,240
it's again history channel produce it

1253
00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:38,640
it's you know that's about uff and the

1254
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:40,160
us government's recent admissions and

1255
00:43:45,190 --> 00:43:42,480
then this is here's a serious scientific

1256
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:45,200
investigation on history again about

1257
00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:46,720
skill and walker ranch so the

1258
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:48,880
comparisons are probably pretty fair

1259
00:43:53,349 --> 00:43:51,760
so something then i'll address now so

1260
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:53,359
the reception of season one there was a

1261
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:54,960
lot of great reviews the ratings were

1262
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:56,640
really good i've actually been involved

1263
00:44:01,109 --> 00:43:58,160
in a conversation with a few people

1264
00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:01,119
today where brandon has been destroying

1265
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:04,000
some skeptics fantastically on twitter

1266
00:44:07,829 --> 00:44:06,000
which i love to watch him do because

1267
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:07,839
he's very eloquent and he's extremely

1268
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:09,599
intelligent and i love the way he comes

1269
00:44:13,829 --> 00:44:12,240
across and however like you've said

1270
00:44:15,670 --> 00:44:13,839
yourself there's a lot of mixed feelings

1271
00:44:17,589 --> 00:44:15,680
on the production potentially

1272
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:17,599
manufactured forced incidents and you've

1273
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:18,960
kind of addressed that there when you

1274
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:20,400
say that you've got to do certain things

1275
00:44:25,109 --> 00:44:22,400
with different camera shots have you

1276
00:44:26,790 --> 00:44:25,119
watched the full season back and would

1277
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:26,800
you say any of those criticisms were

1278
00:44:30,309 --> 00:44:29,040
fair around the production aspect of it

1279
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:30,319
so yeah

1280
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:33,440
i know what we filmed and uh and then

1281
00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:35,280
just like the regular viewers i'm

1282
00:44:41,109 --> 00:44:37,520
sitting down on television and you have

1283
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:41,119
to realize that we filmed all summer and

1284
00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:43,839
that's condensed down to eight

1285
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:45,920
i don't know what they are 45 or 50

1286
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:47,920
minute episodes

1287
00:44:52,710 --> 00:44:49,359
so you're taking

1288
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:52,720
weeks and weeks and weeks of filming and

1289
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:56,160
editing it down for

1290
00:45:00,309 --> 00:44:59,520
for 45 minutes uh episode

1291
00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:00,319
and

1292
00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:03,760
there are a lot of

1293
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:05,440
i think the frustrating thing with the

1294
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:08,079
whole production is is um

1295
00:45:11,910 --> 00:45:10,079
i first of all i think that prometheus

1296
00:45:14,230 --> 00:45:11,920
did a wonderful job i want to be clear

1297
00:45:17,190 --> 00:45:14,240
that i think they did

1298
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:17,200
a great job of trying to balance

1299
00:45:19,829 --> 00:45:18,720
showing the viewer the science that's

1300
00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:19,839
going on

1301
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:21,680
but putting it in a format that's going

1302
00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:22,560
to be

1303
00:45:25,829 --> 00:45:25,040
watchable for 95 percent of the people

1304
00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:25,839
that

1305
00:45:29,349 --> 00:45:27,760
are not you know

1306
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:29,359
those of us that are in the science we

1307
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:31,200
want the details we could do without the

1308
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:33,119
drama without the

1309
00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:34,800
you know the build ups and that we just

1310
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:36,560
we want to know what are the facts here

1311
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:38,480
what's the data what are you seeing

1312
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:40,079
that's what's important but you have to

1313
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:43,200
understand that 95 of the viewers

1314
00:45:46,710 --> 00:45:44,640
are coming home from work they're

1315
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:46,720
kicking their feet up they just want

1316
00:45:50,950 --> 00:45:48,560
something to entertain them for an hour

1317
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:50,960
and not think about their day

1318
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:53,520
and so prometheus has had the challenge

1319
00:45:58,710 --> 00:45:55,280
of trying to edit that and keep it true

1320
00:46:02,470 --> 00:45:58,720
to the science but at the same time

1321
00:46:03,510 --> 00:46:02,480
uh i'm just gonna say it dramatizing it

1322
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:03,520
uh

1323
00:46:06,870 --> 00:46:05,760
in in ways so i have to say as i'm

1324
00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:06,880
watching it

1325
00:46:12,309 --> 00:46:09,760
like if i'm being 100 honest

1326
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:12,319
i'm happy with most of i'm happy with

1327
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:14,880
probably 90 of everything they did i'm

1328
00:46:17,589 --> 00:46:16,000
happy with

1329
00:46:19,109 --> 00:46:17,599
i understand they had to portray it

1330
00:46:21,510 --> 00:46:19,119
somehow and i'm happy with the way they

1331
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:21,520
did it there's 10 percent of it probably

1332
00:46:25,349 --> 00:46:23,599
that i cringe and i say

1333
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:25,359
i wish that they would have shown that

1334
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:27,359
differently because that

1335
00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:28,880
that should have

1336
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:32,800
portrayed differently or they shouldn't

1337
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:34,880
you know

1338
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:38,800
episode 6 was hard for me uh i did not

1339
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:40,800
like the way that that was edited i'm

1340
00:46:44,550 --> 00:46:42,880
just gonna say it i didn't like

1341
00:46:46,390 --> 00:46:44,560
i didn't like the way that episode six

1342
00:46:48,230 --> 00:46:46,400
was edited um

1343
00:46:50,069 --> 00:46:48,240
just flat last night i might not be sure

1344
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:50,079
of episode six what was the particular

1345
00:46:53,829 --> 00:46:52,640
incident you weren't happy about

1346
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:53,839
um

1347
00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:55,680
well that's the episode with the

1348
00:47:00,069 --> 00:46:58,240
drilling and then the alpacas and

1349
00:47:01,670 --> 00:47:00,079
specifically following

1350
00:47:03,030 --> 00:47:01,680
specifically dealing with the whole

1351
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:03,040
alpaca

1352
00:47:07,109 --> 00:47:05,200
incident of them being attacked i was

1353
00:47:09,430 --> 00:47:07,119
very unhappy about the way that that was

1354
00:47:12,309 --> 00:47:09,440
portrayed and edited and

1355
00:47:15,190 --> 00:47:12,319
and i felt like in some ways was

1356
00:47:16,150 --> 00:47:15,200
deceiving as to what

1357
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:16,160
what

1358
00:47:19,109 --> 00:47:17,520
um

1359
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:19,119
the way that it was filmed let's just

1360
00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:20,880
put it that way and i have to be careful

1361
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:22,880
because um i you know i'm not here to

1362
00:47:26,309 --> 00:47:24,480
throw anybody under the bus i just but i

1363
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:26,319
do feel like i have the right to have a

1364
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:28,480
voice and say you know i'm happy with

1365
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:30,000
the way that was shown in the way that

1366
00:47:35,990 --> 00:47:33,200
that was not shown but so at for me yes

1367
00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:36,000
there are parts of it that i'm like uh

1368
00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:36,880
um

1369
00:47:42,309 --> 00:47:38,160
i wish that would have been portrayed

1370
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:42,319
differently but um overall like i say 90

1371
00:47:47,109 --> 00:47:44,800
of it i'm happy with what they showed

1372
00:47:49,349 --> 00:47:47,119
and and maybe that's also because i was

1373
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:49,359
there so when i see the criticisms and

1374
00:47:53,910 --> 00:47:50,880
the critics you know oh you're using the

1375
00:47:56,470 --> 00:47:53,920
coffee cans wrong yeah it does show us

1376
00:47:58,950 --> 00:47:56,480
using those wrong but we did do it the

1377
00:48:01,990 --> 00:47:58,960
right way the cameras just didn't like

1378
00:48:04,549 --> 00:48:02,000
they chose not to use that film because

1379
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:04,559
it didn't look as good as this stuff

1380
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:06,640
and so in my mind i'm i can be at peace

1381
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:09,680
with that because um i think the critics

1382
00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:12,160
have ever he's right we were using those

1383
00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:14,000
cans wrong so i can't blame him for

1384
00:48:16,710 --> 00:48:15,520
feeling that way

1385
00:48:17,750 --> 00:48:16,720
um

1386
00:48:19,829 --> 00:48:17,760
but

1387
00:48:21,270 --> 00:48:19,839
it was just a representation we did use

1388
00:48:24,950 --> 00:48:21,280
them the correct way

1389
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:24,960
we did go through and um

1390
00:48:29,430 --> 00:48:27,520
you know the cam like for example when

1391
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:29,440
we have to take the cameras down to

1392
00:48:33,910 --> 00:48:31,520
check for rf that's something that's not

1393
00:48:36,870 --> 00:48:33,920
getting filmed

1394
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:36,880
so the audience can't see us

1395
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:38,960
doing our very best to be true to

1396
00:48:44,309 --> 00:48:41,680
science and trying to eliminate

1397
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:44,319
okay was it this was it that

1398
00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:45,599
and uh

1399
00:48:48,549 --> 00:48:47,440
and so

1400
00:48:52,150 --> 00:48:48,559
um

1401
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:52,160
yeah it's it's one of those things where

1402
00:48:55,990 --> 00:48:54,160
it's almost like a marriage you know you

1403
00:48:57,270 --> 00:48:56,000
gotta compromise a little bit

1404
00:48:59,109 --> 00:48:57,280
and you know you're not gonna get

1405
00:49:01,109 --> 00:48:59,119
perfect so you just strive to get for

1406
00:49:02,309 --> 00:49:01,119
something that you can both live with

1407
00:49:06,069 --> 00:49:02,319
and

1408
00:49:08,150 --> 00:49:06,079
this tv series

1409
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:08,160
no i really appreciate the honesty on

1410
00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:09,599
that and i think

1411
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:11,200
when you get involved in something like

1412
00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:13,200
the community whether it's paranormal

1413
00:49:17,510 --> 00:49:15,280
the ufo community you know people who

1414
00:49:18,870 --> 00:49:17,520
are see a spiritual side to what's going

1415
00:49:20,549 --> 00:49:18,880
on or whatever it is they're very

1416
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:20,559
protective because this is something for

1417
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:22,640
their whole life it's it's been theirs

1418
00:49:25,990 --> 00:49:24,160
there'll be people that for skin walker

1419
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:26,000
ranch this is what it means to them and

1420
00:49:29,030 --> 00:49:27,440
when people try and make it look like

1421
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:29,040
something it's not they get protective

1422
00:49:33,670 --> 00:49:30,640
and the ufo community is one of the

1423
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:33,680
worst for that it's great but it's also

1424
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:36,000
brutal at times as well the slightest

1425
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:37,760
thing so i get that and you're right

1426
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:39,200
that it's entertainment at the end of

1427
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:41,200
the day and if you want to move the

1428
00:49:44,549 --> 00:49:43,040
conversation forward and you want to

1429
00:49:46,390 --> 00:49:44,559
bring a new audience to kind of see

1430
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:46,400
what's being done there with the

1431
00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:48,640
investigation and does that involve

1432
00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:50,079
eventually getting more funding more

1433
00:49:54,069 --> 00:49:51,760
eyes on the project and you know moving

1434
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:54,079
it into a bigger discussion then you do

1435
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:56,160
have to aim it at people in an

1436
00:50:00,390 --> 00:49:58,400
entertaining way because like you say as

1437
00:50:01,589 --> 00:50:00,400
incredible as the sciences and the data

1438
00:50:03,670 --> 00:50:01,599
is going to be the thing that you know

1439
00:50:06,230 --> 00:50:03,680
ultimately gives us answers it's not

1440
00:50:07,990 --> 00:50:06,240
going to get ratings and ratings if

1441
00:50:10,150 --> 00:50:08,000
they're low aren't going to renew shows

1442
00:50:11,910 --> 00:50:10,160
so there's a balance there to be found

1443
00:50:14,069 --> 00:50:11,920
and i think if i had anything and this

1444
00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:14,079
is just my own personal for season two

1445
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:16,000
whoever's in charge of mixing the music

1446
00:50:20,549 --> 00:50:18,400
and the dramatic headshots of

1447
00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:20,559
you know when you look to the side and i

1448
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:22,240
just i just get that i just get that

1449
00:50:26,309 --> 00:50:24,240
cringe of ah you shouldn't have my look

1450
00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:26,319
but i i reckon the look and particularly

1451
00:50:30,390 --> 00:50:28,480
dragon some of his looks i think has he

1452
00:50:32,230 --> 00:50:30,400
actually done that at that time or have

1453
00:50:34,549 --> 00:50:32,240
they taken a totally random shot from

1454
00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:34,559
five minutes before where someone's been

1455
00:50:37,510 --> 00:50:36,000
ordering a chinese and he's not been

1456
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:37,520
happy with what's came you know what's

1457
00:50:41,109 --> 00:50:38,800
been delivered

1458
00:50:43,109 --> 00:50:41,119
that is the shot so i always worry about

1459
00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:43,119
that one look at these reality based you

1460
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:51,829
sometimes they're real and sometimes

1461
00:50:55,109 --> 00:50:53,280
they were edited from five minutes

1462
00:50:57,030 --> 00:50:55,119
earlier when the chinese was not right

1463
00:50:58,630 --> 00:50:57,040
so yes yeah

1464
00:51:00,309 --> 00:50:58,640
and you know what i can live with that

1465
00:51:01,990 --> 00:51:00,319
though you get that and it's getting an

1466
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:02,000
audience and you know what it has been

1467
00:51:05,109 --> 00:51:03,599
renewed for a second season and we'll

1468
00:51:06,790 --> 00:51:05,119
kind of wrap up on on talking about

1469
00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:06,800
season two but just to go back then

1470
00:51:11,270 --> 00:51:08,559
you've mentioned a few times about your

1471
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:11,280
your head and your injury um so what we

1472
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:13,119
see is that before the season started a

1473
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:15,200
couple of years previous you had done

1474
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:17,280
some digging um i believe the shot used

1475
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:19,200
in the show was of an

1476
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:20,880
excavator or some kind of digging in

1477
00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:22,880
equipment and off the back of that i

1478
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:24,160
mean your words will be better than mine

1479
00:51:27,190 --> 00:51:25,520
do you want to just quickly talk through

1480
00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:27,200
what happened and what we can see on the

1481
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:29,200
show

1482
00:51:35,270 --> 00:51:32,960
yeah so yeah i was using a skid steer um

1483
00:51:36,710 --> 00:51:35,280
and i was actually carving into the side

1484
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:36,720
of the mesa

1485
00:51:41,589 --> 00:51:39,520
i uh there was a section of ranch up on

1486
00:51:42,870 --> 00:51:41,599
the mesa that security could only access

1487
00:51:45,910 --> 00:51:42,880
by foot

1488
00:51:47,829 --> 00:51:45,920
we'd had some issues with trespassers

1489
00:51:50,790 --> 00:51:47,839
and by the time you get up on top of

1490
00:51:52,630 --> 00:51:50,800
mesa with the foot they're gone and

1491
00:51:54,309 --> 00:51:52,640
we've dealt with vandalism all kinds of

1492
00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:54,319
stuff so my

1493
00:51:58,790 --> 00:51:56,880
my fix for that was hey i'll carve a

1494
00:52:00,870 --> 00:51:58,800
road up on top so we can get up on there

1495
00:52:03,510 --> 00:52:00,880
with the utvs and then they can't outrun

1496
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:03,520
us we can better patrol the perimeter of

1497
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:05,200
the ranch

1498
00:52:08,470 --> 00:52:06,800
i started to do this

1499
00:52:11,109 --> 00:52:08,480
excavation

1500
00:52:14,069 --> 00:52:11,119
and uh it was during the course of doing

1501
00:52:15,750 --> 00:52:14,079
a matter of fact so that particular that

1502
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:15,760
particular road that i was working on

1503
00:52:19,589 --> 00:52:17,520
lies unfinished today it's about three

1504
00:52:23,589 --> 00:52:19,599
quarters of the way finished

1505
00:52:23,599 --> 00:52:27,349
but

1506
00:52:31,510 --> 00:52:29,030
the one thing that i fought with the

1507
00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:31,520
network on a little bit was they kept

1508
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:32,640
saying

1509
00:52:37,829 --> 00:52:34,960
matter of fact i i saw a rough cut of

1510
00:52:39,670 --> 00:52:37,839
the first episode and they had me saying

1511
00:52:42,309 --> 00:52:39,680
i was digging and then my head started

1512
00:52:44,470 --> 00:52:42,319
to swell up and i told them if you put

1513
00:52:46,470 --> 00:52:44,480
that in there i will sing like a canary

1514
00:52:47,349 --> 00:52:46,480
because that's not what happened

1515
00:52:48,069 --> 00:52:47,359
um

1516
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:48,079
it

1517
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:53,280
the matter is is

1518
00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:54,720
while we're

1519
00:52:59,670 --> 00:52:56,720
while there have been

1520
00:53:01,190 --> 00:52:59,680
literally dozens and dozens of incidents

1521
00:53:03,109 --> 00:53:01,200
where i have been digging and then

1522
00:53:05,589 --> 00:53:03,119
something bad happens

1523
00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:05,599
uh correlation

1524
00:53:08,309 --> 00:53:06,880
does not mean

1525
00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:08,319
that that

1526
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:10,800
you can't point for sure and say oh that

1527
00:53:15,750 --> 00:53:13,200
happened because you dug it could have

1528
00:53:18,390 --> 00:53:15,760
seriously been a series of coincidences

1529
00:53:20,950 --> 00:53:18,400
that have nothing to do with each other

1530
00:53:23,109 --> 00:53:20,960
but it happens enough that it does give

1531
00:53:24,390 --> 00:53:23,119
us pause and it's like okay it's

1532
00:53:26,470 --> 00:53:24,400
something we need to keep in the back of

1533
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:26,480
mind we need to be careful of in this

1534
00:53:31,510 --> 00:53:29,440
particular case here i am

1535
00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:31,520
defacing the mesa

1536
00:53:36,069 --> 00:53:33,680
to put this road in

1537
00:53:37,270 --> 00:53:36,079
uh just this little utv trail up the

1538
00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:37,280
side

1539
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:38,720
and uh

1540
00:53:42,309 --> 00:53:40,800
my injury started on a saturday i hadn't

1541
00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:42,319
even been to the ranch in a couple of

1542
00:53:46,230 --> 00:53:44,400
days like it had been two days since

1543
00:53:48,390 --> 00:53:46,240
i've been at the ranch and then or three

1544
00:53:50,309 --> 00:53:48,400
days i don't remember now exactly but on

1545
00:53:52,309 --> 00:53:50,319
the back of my head on the lower part of

1546
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:52,319
my head

1547
00:53:55,750 --> 00:53:54,000
on saturday night it was actually my

1548
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:55,760
birthday i can remember the date perfect

1549
00:53:58,790 --> 00:53:57,839
because it started on my birthday march

1550
00:54:02,470 --> 00:53:58,800
4th

1551
00:54:04,309 --> 00:54:02,480
and uh that night when went to bed

1552
00:54:05,670 --> 00:54:04,319
i noticed that i had a sore spot on the

1553
00:54:06,630 --> 00:54:05,680
back of my head it was kind of like a

1554
00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:06,640
bruise

1555
00:54:10,549 --> 00:54:08,400
about a little bit

1556
00:54:12,069 --> 00:54:10,559
you know probably like one inch in

1557
00:54:14,870 --> 00:54:12,079
diameter

1558
00:54:19,109 --> 00:54:16,630
i didn't think much of it

1559
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:19,119
um we'd actually spend my birthday at a

1560
00:54:23,270 --> 00:54:21,280
funeral of a loved one and so i'd been

1561
00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:23,280
sat all day inside of a church house at

1562
00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:24,400
a funeral

1563
00:54:28,710 --> 00:54:27,040
i hadn't done any physical activity

1564
00:54:31,829 --> 00:54:28,720
went to bed when i woke up sunday

1565
00:54:33,510 --> 00:54:31,839
morning that bruise had swollen up it

1566
00:54:34,790 --> 00:54:33,520
was really tight it was like a little

1567
00:54:37,589 --> 00:54:34,800
goose egg

1568
00:54:39,829 --> 00:54:37,599
and it was extremely painful

1569
00:54:42,069 --> 00:54:39,839
and so my thought was was maybe i just

1570
00:54:44,069 --> 00:54:42,079
gotten a spider bite or some type of

1571
00:54:46,630 --> 00:54:44,079
insect had bitten me

1572
00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:46,640
and i had reacted to it

1573
00:54:52,150 --> 00:54:49,359
and i told i mentioned it to my wife

1574
00:54:53,510 --> 00:54:52,160
so sunday morning we went to church and

1575
00:54:55,750 --> 00:54:53,520
uh

1576
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:55,760
as church was going on you know as this

1577
00:54:59,190 --> 00:54:58,079
hour rolled on i started to feel sicker

1578
00:55:00,549 --> 00:54:59,200
and sicker

1579
00:55:02,549 --> 00:55:00,559
i finally told my wife that i was going

1580
00:55:03,990 --> 00:55:02,559
to leave church early i went home laid

1581
00:55:06,309 --> 00:55:04,000
down

1582
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:06,319
and my head just hurt really really bad

1583
00:55:11,349 --> 00:55:08,880
and i felt nauseous

1584
00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:11,359
um i thought maybe i had the flu

1585
00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:13,920
i wasn't sure i you know i i at this

1586
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:15,359
point i was pretty certain that i had

1587
00:55:18,789 --> 00:55:17,280
gotten an insect bite and it was making

1588
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:18,799
me sick

1589
00:55:23,430 --> 00:55:20,400
and i have i'm

1590
00:55:25,589 --> 00:55:23,440
i'm otherwise extremely healthy person

1591
00:55:28,150 --> 00:55:25,599
um i've had physicals i pass them with

1592
00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:28,160
flying colors of um

1593
00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:30,960
i'm a healthy individual and every all

1594
00:55:34,710 --> 00:55:32,640
every test that i've taken my markers

1595
00:55:37,829 --> 00:55:34,720
have always come back excellent

1596
00:55:39,990 --> 00:55:37,839
so i wasn't worried i rarely i never go

1597
00:55:41,829 --> 00:55:40,000
to the doctor unless i absolutely am

1598
00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:41,839
dying and i have to

1599
00:55:46,950 --> 00:55:44,720
and my wife came home she was concerned

1600
00:55:48,950 --> 00:55:46,960
about me

1601
00:55:51,990 --> 00:55:48,960
sunday progressed into sunday evening

1602
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:52,000
and then into monday morning i was now

1603
00:55:57,589 --> 00:55:53,680
pretty sick

1604
00:56:00,069 --> 00:55:57,599
um i was i was not up on my feet

1605
00:56:02,470 --> 00:56:00,079
and monday she wanted to take me to the

1606
00:56:04,710 --> 00:56:02,480
hospital and i refused to let her i told

1607
00:56:07,190 --> 00:56:04,720
her no i'll be fine it's just a spider

1608
00:56:10,069 --> 00:56:07,200
bite like let it run its course

1609
00:56:11,510 --> 00:56:10,079
i'll start feeling better soon

1610
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:11,520
and uh

1611
00:56:16,950 --> 00:56:14,880
then by by monday night i was in extreme

1612
00:56:18,549 --> 00:56:16,960
pain and starting monday night probably

1613
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:18,559
around 10 p.m

1614
00:56:23,190 --> 00:56:20,880
uh the goose egg went for it stayed

1615
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:23,200
pretty much the same size

1616
00:56:27,510 --> 00:56:25,680
all of all of sunday and all of monday

1617
00:56:31,030 --> 00:56:27,520
but come into monday night

1618
00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:31,040
the goose eggs started to grow

1619
00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:33,440
and it started to spread and what ended

1620
00:56:37,990 --> 00:56:35,760
up happening was that my the fatty

1621
00:56:39,990 --> 00:56:38,000
tissue of my scalp

1622
00:56:42,789 --> 00:56:40,000
separated from my skull

1623
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:42,799
and so i basically got scalped and

1624
00:56:47,829 --> 00:56:45,359
monday night into tuesday morning

1625
00:56:50,230 --> 00:56:47,839
uh it's the most excruciating pain i've

1626
00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:50,240
ever felt in my life i was

1627
00:56:52,309 --> 00:56:51,599
um

1628
00:56:55,670 --> 00:56:52,319
it

1629
00:56:58,069 --> 00:56:55,680
pain i was in and

1630
00:56:59,670 --> 00:56:58,079
and i uh just tought it out at this

1631
00:57:02,150 --> 00:56:59,680
point i'm not i don't know that i was

1632
00:57:04,470 --> 00:57:02,160
thinking 100 straight

1633
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:04,480
but my wife woke up tuesday morning saw

1634
00:57:10,309 --> 00:57:07,680
that my head had completely swollen up

1635
00:57:12,069 --> 00:57:10,319
um it there was a definite line on my

1636
00:57:14,069 --> 00:57:12,079
forehead where it had separated and it

1637
00:57:15,190 --> 00:57:14,079
continued to slowly move down my

1638
00:57:16,870 --> 00:57:15,200
forehead

1639
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:16,880
towards my eyes

1640
00:57:20,789 --> 00:57:19,200
and so she freaked out loaded me up took

1641
00:57:23,589 --> 00:57:20,799
me to the hospital

1642
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:23,599
uh where i was admitted and uh ended up

1643
00:57:27,030 --> 00:57:25,680
spending spending the week in the

1644
00:57:28,390 --> 00:57:27,040
hospital

1645
00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:28,400
and uh

1646
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:29,760
by the by the end of the third day i

1647
00:57:33,670 --> 00:57:31,440
could pretty much grab the hair on my

1648
00:57:35,910 --> 00:57:33,680
head and walk my face around my skull

1649
00:57:37,990 --> 00:57:35,920
because it wasn't attached it was it was

1650
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:38,000
detached it was pretty gruesome

1651
00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:39,359
and uh

1652
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:41,680
you know because of my association with

1653
00:57:46,390 --> 00:57:43,920
the ranch i was only out of the hospital

1654
00:57:47,829 --> 00:57:46,400
a day or two when i was contacted by

1655
00:57:50,230 --> 00:57:47,839
um

1656
00:57:52,150 --> 00:57:50,240
brandon and and the team and asking me

1657
00:57:54,950 --> 00:57:52,160
if i'd be willing to allow some people

1658
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:54,960
to come investigate it um

1659
00:57:58,150 --> 00:57:56,160
and so

1660
00:58:00,470 --> 00:57:58,160
i bet i had only been home a couple days

1661
00:58:02,309 --> 00:58:00,480
when the investigation into what had

1662
00:58:04,230 --> 00:58:02,319
taken place now mind you when i was in

1663
00:58:06,789 --> 00:58:04,240
the hospital my doctors could not figure

1664
00:58:08,710 --> 00:58:06,799
out what was going on i did over i think

1665
00:58:10,630 --> 00:58:08,720
they ran 43 different tests they were

1666
00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:10,640
able to rule out insect bites they were

1667
00:58:13,829 --> 00:58:12,240
able to rule out

1668
00:58:15,589 --> 00:58:13,839
every test i took

1669
00:58:17,430 --> 00:58:15,599
my doctor would come back into my room

1670
00:58:19,030 --> 00:58:17,440
after the test after the lab results

1671
00:58:19,750 --> 00:58:19,040
came back and he'd shake his head and

1672
00:58:21,430 --> 00:58:19,760
say

1673
00:58:23,990 --> 00:58:21,440
you're the healthiest sick person i've

1674
00:58:25,829 --> 00:58:24,000
ever met all my all my lab tests were

1675
00:58:27,430 --> 00:58:25,839
coming back not just good but they were

1676
00:58:30,309 --> 00:58:27,440
spot on perfect

1677
00:58:34,390 --> 00:58:30,319
when they biopsied the fluid in my head

1678
00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:34,400
um i mean it came back 100 sterile they

1679
00:58:38,789 --> 00:58:37,200
couldn't even i mean it was nothing

1680
00:58:40,870 --> 00:58:38,799
and so

1681
00:58:41,910 --> 00:58:40,880
everything that they were seeing in my

1682
00:58:44,390 --> 00:58:41,920
results

1683
00:58:46,470 --> 00:58:44,400
justified what they should be seeing

1684
00:58:48,789 --> 00:58:46,480
and my doctor used the term medically

1685
00:58:50,230 --> 00:58:48,799
impossible several times with me they

1686
00:58:52,069 --> 00:58:50,240
they could not figure out what's going

1687
00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:52,079
on and when they released me from the

1688
00:58:55,829 --> 00:58:53,760
hospital

1689
00:58:57,589 --> 00:58:55,839
i even had to sign a paper on the

1690
00:58:59,910 --> 00:58:57,599
release forms that

1691
00:59:01,750 --> 00:58:59,920
was the hospital saying we have no idea

1692
00:59:03,990 --> 00:59:01,760
what to what caused this

1693
00:59:05,589 --> 00:59:04,000
we have no idea what happened to you so

1694
00:59:07,670 --> 00:59:05,599
therefore we don't know what to tell you

1695
00:59:09,670 --> 00:59:07,680
to stay away from and

1696
00:59:11,829 --> 00:59:09,680
maybe sign that paper so then the

1697
00:59:14,549 --> 00:59:11,839
investigation site started these

1698
00:59:15,510 --> 00:59:14,559
individuals i had three individuals that

1699
00:59:17,430 --> 00:59:15,520
were

1700
00:59:18,789 --> 00:59:17,440
investigating my injury very closely and

1701
00:59:20,150 --> 00:59:18,799
and uh

1702
00:59:22,309 --> 00:59:20,160
it has been

1703
00:59:24,230 --> 00:59:22,319
over the course of the past two or three

1704
00:59:26,069 --> 00:59:24,240
years um

1705
00:59:29,589 --> 00:59:26,079
they they've had me continue to take

1706
00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:29,599
further tests and more mris more

1707
00:59:33,829 --> 00:59:31,680
all kinds of different tests and it's

1708
00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:33,839
through this investigation process as

1709
00:59:37,829 --> 00:59:36,960
time goes on and as they learn more

1710
00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:37,839
about

1711
00:59:42,069 --> 00:59:40,160
what took place and and dove into my

1712
00:59:44,150 --> 00:59:42,079
medical records and everything

1713
00:59:46,390 --> 00:59:44,160
that the confidence level has increased

1714
00:59:47,510 --> 00:59:46,400
dramatically that it is associated with

1715
00:59:53,270 --> 00:59:47,520
the ranch

1716
00:59:54,950 --> 00:59:53,280
um but you know in all honesty you can't

1717
00:59:56,309 --> 00:59:54,960
none of us can say a hundred percent

1718
00:59:58,630 --> 00:59:56,319
sure that

1719
00:59:59,589 --> 00:59:58,640
that it happened on the ranch or that it

1720
01:00:01,750 --> 00:59:59,599
you know

1721
01:00:05,030 --> 01:00:01,760
but the investigation and and where

1722
01:00:07,750 --> 01:00:05,040
we're being led shows that yes it it

1723
01:00:10,870 --> 01:00:07,760
is tied into the ranch and that's why

1724
01:00:11,829 --> 01:00:10,880
i think the network continues to

1725
01:00:15,589 --> 01:00:11,839
they

1726
01:00:16,870 --> 01:00:15,599
i cringed a lot is because like oh

1727
01:00:19,910 --> 01:00:16,880
seriously you're showing that picture

1728
01:00:21,750 --> 01:00:19,920
again um

1729
01:00:26,230 --> 01:00:21,760
but would that be the picture of the

1730
01:00:28,150 --> 01:00:26,240
scan where it shows the the fluid inside

1731
01:00:30,470 --> 01:00:28,160
both the skin and then the one that i'm

1732
01:00:32,950 --> 01:00:30,480
in the hospital where i look like total

1733
01:00:34,470 --> 01:00:32,960
i i look like oh man they show the

1734
01:00:36,870 --> 01:00:34,480
picture of me in the hospital with my

1735
01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:36,880
head bandaged and i've seen that i don't

1736
01:00:39,750 --> 01:00:37,920
know how many times i've seen that in

1737
01:00:42,630 --> 01:00:39,760
the episodes and i'm like seriously

1738
01:00:44,630 --> 01:00:42,640
you're showing that picture again so

1739
01:00:46,549 --> 01:00:44,640
um but that's one of the reasons why

1740
01:00:47,430 --> 01:00:46,559
they do is because the investigation

1741
01:00:48,789 --> 01:00:47,440
which

1742
01:00:50,789 --> 01:00:48,799
um

1743
01:00:52,390 --> 01:00:50,799
you know to be honest with the viewers

1744
01:00:54,150 --> 01:00:52,400
there's a lot about

1745
01:00:57,190 --> 01:00:54,160
there are a lot of facts with my injury

1746
01:00:58,950 --> 01:00:57,200
that are not public and i don't know

1747
01:01:00,309 --> 01:00:58,960
you know i don't know if they ever will

1748
01:01:02,309 --> 01:01:00,319
become public

1749
01:01:05,510 --> 01:01:02,319
and some of that's not really in my

1750
01:01:07,349 --> 01:01:05,520
hands um because of the things that they

1751
01:01:11,030 --> 01:01:07,359
they've unearthed so

1752
01:01:13,190 --> 01:01:11,040
um it is my it does it does appear like

1753
01:01:14,470 --> 01:01:13,200
it is associated with the ranch and the

1754
01:01:16,549 --> 01:01:14,480
investigation

1755
01:01:17,589 --> 01:01:16,559
careful careful

1756
01:01:20,309 --> 01:01:17,599
long

1757
01:01:23,030 --> 01:01:20,319
disciplined investigation has shown that

1758
01:01:26,150 --> 01:01:23,040
um indications are strong that it

1759
01:01:28,069 --> 01:01:26,160
it is ranch-related and uh and then you

1760
01:01:29,829 --> 01:01:28,079
know then comes the speculation as to

1761
01:01:30,710 --> 01:01:29,839
what caused it why

1762
01:01:32,549 --> 01:01:30,720
you know

1763
01:01:34,309 --> 01:01:32,559
and it's good to hear you say that even

1764
01:01:35,990 --> 01:01:34,319
though it's something you've experienced

1765
01:01:37,589 --> 01:01:36,000
and and you know like you say the pain

1766
01:01:39,270 --> 01:01:37,599
you went through and you've had this

1767
01:01:40,390 --> 01:01:39,280
separate investigation which i'm sure

1768
01:01:42,309 --> 01:01:40,400
people are going to love to hear like in

1769
01:01:44,230 --> 01:01:42,319
a mysterious mysterious side of it but

1770
01:01:45,430 --> 01:01:44,240
for you it's trying to get some answers

1771
01:01:47,109 --> 01:01:45,440
and if that's something that's getting

1772
01:01:48,870 --> 01:01:47,119
you closer to that that's that's really

1773
01:01:50,789 --> 01:01:48,880
good to hear and from our point of view

1774
01:01:53,030 --> 01:01:50,799
it's great you're fit and healthy but

1775
01:01:55,510 --> 01:01:53,040
then there's also the potential that

1776
01:01:58,150 --> 01:01:55,520
this could be a warning shot from which

1777
01:01:59,510 --> 01:01:58,160
whatever the phenomena is on the ranch

1778
01:02:01,029 --> 01:01:59,520
because like you say

1779
01:02:02,870 --> 01:02:01,039
yeah you've done some digging you've

1780
01:02:04,309 --> 01:02:02,880
defaced that you've changed it and if

1781
01:02:07,029 --> 01:02:04,319
that's something that we're not

1782
01:02:09,109 --> 01:02:07,039
observing is fine but actually like like

1783
01:02:10,789 --> 01:02:09,119
we know the first episode it's called

1784
01:02:11,829 --> 01:02:10,799
bad things happen when you dig for a

1785
01:02:13,510 --> 01:02:11,839
reason

1786
01:02:14,309 --> 01:02:13,520
you know something bad happened when you

1787
01:02:16,470 --> 01:02:14,319
dug

1788
01:02:18,789 --> 01:02:16,480
it does flare up again near the start of

1789
01:02:20,789 --> 01:02:18,799
the season and everyone seemed really

1790
01:02:23,589 --> 01:02:20,799
concerned i know you you take yourself

1791
01:02:25,589 --> 01:02:23,599
away from the scene don't you um how

1792
01:02:27,430 --> 01:02:25,599
much did that shape the safety protocol

1793
01:02:29,349 --> 01:02:27,440
was going forward and that have an

1794
01:02:30,710 --> 01:02:29,359
impact on the show going forward that

1795
01:02:33,029 --> 01:02:30,720
you know you'd started to feel that kind

1796
01:02:34,390 --> 01:02:33,039
of pain again

1797
01:02:36,150 --> 01:02:34,400
yeah so

1798
01:02:40,789 --> 01:02:36,160
i've had

1799
01:02:44,309 --> 01:02:40,799
and um

1800
01:02:45,829 --> 01:02:44,319
all all ranch related um

1801
01:02:47,750 --> 01:02:45,839
and

1802
01:02:49,349 --> 01:02:47,760
each time you think you've got it behind

1803
01:02:51,510 --> 01:02:49,359
you you think

1804
01:02:53,430 --> 01:02:51,520
that it's in your past

1805
01:02:55,589 --> 01:02:53,440
when that happened when we were out

1806
01:02:58,470 --> 01:02:55,599
there now it's interesting here we are

1807
01:03:00,069 --> 01:02:58,480
shining lasers up on the mesa

1808
01:03:03,190 --> 01:03:00,079
and uh

1809
01:03:05,190 --> 01:03:03,200
and then next thing i know like

1810
01:03:07,029 --> 01:03:05,200
my head is in that you know the

1811
01:03:10,069 --> 01:03:07,039
concerning thing was it wasn't like the

1812
01:03:12,630 --> 01:03:10,079
pain was excruciating i mean it it hurt

1813
01:03:14,470 --> 01:03:12,640
so i'm not gonna lie the pain hurt it

1814
01:03:16,710 --> 01:03:14,480
was not the same kind of pain that i

1815
01:03:17,829 --> 01:03:16,720
felt with my first injury

1816
01:03:19,670 --> 01:03:17,839
but it was

1817
01:03:21,750 --> 01:03:19,680
it was the fact that it was taking place

1818
01:03:23,270 --> 01:03:21,760
in that exact same spot that it started

1819
01:03:25,670 --> 01:03:23,280
the first time that was a concerning

1820
01:03:27,029 --> 01:03:25,680
thing it's like great here we go again

1821
01:03:29,589 --> 01:03:27,039
um

1822
01:03:31,910 --> 01:03:29,599
it did start to swell up again

1823
01:03:33,910 --> 01:03:31,920
and uh

1824
01:03:35,589 --> 01:03:33,920
and it and this time

1825
01:03:37,349 --> 01:03:35,599
you know if the producers want me to go

1826
01:03:39,670 --> 01:03:37,359
out there and say we were shining lights

1827
01:03:41,829 --> 01:03:39,680
on the mesa and my head started to swell

1828
01:03:44,150 --> 01:03:41,839
up i'll do it because we were out there

1829
01:03:46,710 --> 01:03:44,160
shining lights on the mesa and my head

1830
01:03:48,789 --> 01:03:46,720
started to swell up i was on the ranch

1831
01:03:50,630 --> 01:03:48,799
and this this

1832
01:03:54,230 --> 01:03:50,640
starts to happen again

1833
01:03:56,470 --> 01:03:54,240
and uh it it did shake us and you know

1834
01:03:58,470 --> 01:03:56,480
the whole

1835
01:03:59,430 --> 01:03:58,480
there was a whole discussion that went

1836
01:04:01,910 --> 01:03:59,440
on

1837
01:04:04,789 --> 01:04:01,920
in my absence and then also you know i

1838
01:04:06,870 --> 01:04:04,799
was taking i took some phone calls off

1839
01:04:08,390 --> 01:04:06,880
site too while this whole thing's going

1840
01:04:11,109 --> 01:04:08,400
on

1841
01:04:13,589 --> 01:04:11,119
uh

1842
01:04:15,589 --> 01:04:13,599
brandon is not about to let his

1843
01:04:16,870 --> 01:04:15,599
curiosity

1844
01:04:18,710 --> 01:04:16,880
be

1845
01:04:20,309 --> 01:04:18,720
more important than the health of his

1846
01:04:23,430 --> 01:04:20,319
team brandon

1847
01:04:26,230 --> 01:04:23,440
is very very people oriented

1848
01:04:28,870 --> 01:04:26,240
and his his concern is genuine it's not

1849
01:04:29,829 --> 01:04:28,880
dramatized it's not contrived

1850
01:04:34,069 --> 01:04:29,839
and

1851
01:04:36,309 --> 01:04:34,079
was seriously saying i don't know if

1852
01:04:37,109 --> 01:04:36,319
this is worth it guys like

1853
01:04:39,270 --> 01:04:37,119
um

1854
01:04:41,750 --> 01:04:39,280
he had a conversation with me he's like

1855
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:41,760
tom like is it really worth it are we

1856
01:04:45,029 --> 01:04:43,680
playing with fire should we should we

1857
01:04:47,510 --> 01:04:45,039
pull out

1858
01:04:50,069 --> 01:04:47,520
you know i i don't want this isn't worth

1859
01:04:51,750 --> 01:04:50,079
somebody that i care about deeply

1860
01:04:52,630 --> 01:04:51,760
getting hurt

1861
01:04:56,950 --> 01:04:52,640
and

1862
01:04:59,589 --> 01:04:56,960
of that discussion on tv i think it's in

1863
01:05:00,630 --> 01:04:59,599
episode three when i come back

1864
01:05:01,670 --> 01:05:00,640
um

1865
01:05:04,630 --> 01:05:01,680
but

1866
01:05:06,549 --> 01:05:04,640
it is something that i can't

1867
01:05:08,230 --> 01:05:06,559
in my heart i can't believe that all

1868
01:05:08,950 --> 01:05:08,240
this stuff that's happening on the ranch

1869
01:05:10,789 --> 01:05:08,960
is

1870
01:05:13,029 --> 01:05:10,799
like honoring the little barbed wire

1871
01:05:15,589 --> 01:05:13,039
fence that goes around the border that

1872
01:05:18,870 --> 01:05:15,599
somehow that fence is keeping all the

1873
01:05:20,630 --> 01:05:18,880
ghosts and goblins in right and so

1874
01:05:22,069 --> 01:05:20,640
there's a good chance that a lot of the

1875
01:05:23,510 --> 01:05:22,079
things that we're seeing on the ranch

1876
01:05:26,069 --> 01:05:23,520
are happening

1877
01:05:27,829 --> 01:05:26,079
in the surrounding area as well which we

1878
01:05:29,430 --> 01:05:27,839
have a lot of people

1879
01:05:31,270 --> 01:05:29,440
even though we're rural you know you

1880
01:05:34,789 --> 01:05:31,280
have hundreds if not thousands of people

1881
01:05:37,190 --> 01:05:34,799
within a short approximate distance that

1882
01:05:39,589 --> 01:05:37,200
um that called us home

1883
01:05:42,069 --> 01:05:39,599
and uh and as long as we've got somebody

1884
01:05:45,510 --> 01:05:42,079
like brandon that has the money and the

1885
01:05:46,710 --> 01:05:45,520
the resources to come and investigate it

1886
01:05:48,150 --> 01:05:46,720
um i

1887
01:05:51,190 --> 01:05:48,160
i had a little bit of fear in my heart

1888
01:05:52,789 --> 01:05:51,200
like don't pull out because you know

1889
01:05:54,470 --> 01:05:52,799
yeah bigelow came and investigated and

1890
01:05:56,230 --> 01:05:54,480
what did we get out of it

1891
01:05:58,309 --> 01:05:56,240
we don't know what we got

1892
01:05:59,829 --> 01:05:58,319
nothing came of it they locked

1893
01:06:01,349 --> 01:05:59,839
everything behind so as long as we've

1894
01:06:02,710 --> 01:06:01,359
got someone like brandon that's willing

1895
01:06:04,630 --> 01:06:02,720
to foot the bill

1896
01:06:07,109 --> 01:06:04,640
and pay for this investigation i don't

1897
01:06:09,349 --> 01:06:07,119
want to lose that opportunity and we owe

1898
01:06:10,710 --> 01:06:09,359
it to the surrounding areas to see if

1899
01:06:12,549 --> 01:06:10,720
this is something that's just on the

1900
01:06:14,390 --> 01:06:12,559
ranch or maybe there's something

1901
01:06:15,990 --> 01:06:14,400
dangerous in the surrounding areas as

1902
01:06:17,109 --> 01:06:16,000
well and so

1903
01:06:20,069 --> 01:06:17,119
um

1904
01:06:22,470 --> 01:06:20,079
we we pushed on and i encouraged him not

1905
01:06:24,150 --> 01:06:22,480
to not to run but it shaped

1906
01:06:26,630 --> 01:06:24,160
the rest of the season i think what it

1907
01:06:28,230 --> 01:06:26,640
did is it made travis because travis

1908
01:06:29,270 --> 01:06:28,240
thought we were all a bunch of scaredy

1909
01:06:30,829 --> 01:06:29,280
cats

1910
01:06:34,150 --> 01:06:30,839
and

1911
01:06:36,230 --> 01:06:34,160
uh matter of fact his exact words to us

1912
01:06:38,390 --> 01:06:36,240
before the tv series even started as he

1913
01:06:40,309 --> 01:06:38,400
thought we were all batshit crazy

1914
01:06:42,950 --> 01:06:40,319
and um

1915
01:06:44,870 --> 01:06:42,960
i think that my injury

1916
01:06:47,589 --> 01:06:44,880
kind of snapped him out of it

1917
01:06:49,589 --> 01:06:47,599
and brought made it real for him that

1918
01:06:51,349 --> 01:06:49,599
this is a this is not something we're

1919
01:06:53,589 --> 01:06:51,359
just goofing around about

1920
01:06:55,430 --> 01:06:53,599
we're not just saying these things to

1921
01:06:57,270 --> 01:06:55,440
make it sound mysterious

1922
01:07:00,630 --> 01:06:57,280
like there are real effects going on

1923
01:07:02,789 --> 01:07:00,640
here and i think if anything my injury

1924
01:07:04,789 --> 01:07:02,799
made travis realize that there are

1925
01:07:06,789 --> 01:07:04,799
consequences and that the the

1926
01:07:08,710 --> 01:07:06,799
investigation needs to be done

1927
01:07:10,789 --> 01:07:08,720
but it needs to be done safely it needs

1928
01:07:12,630 --> 01:07:10,799
to be done cautiously i know that's kind

1929
01:07:14,230 --> 01:07:12,640
of when his view of dragon changed

1930
01:07:16,789 --> 01:07:14,240
because

1931
01:07:18,870 --> 01:07:16,799
at that point he realized that we have

1932
01:07:19,910 --> 01:07:18,880
good reason to be cautious about what

1933
01:07:21,510 --> 01:07:19,920
we're doing

1934
01:07:23,349 --> 01:07:21,520
and there's a reason why we haven't just

1935
01:07:26,069 --> 01:07:23,359
gone been running around poking the

1936
01:07:27,990 --> 01:07:26,079
hornet's nest so it did change the rest

1937
01:07:29,510 --> 01:07:28,000
of the season it'll change the rest of

1938
01:07:31,430 --> 01:07:29,520
the investigation as far as the show

1939
01:07:32,789 --> 01:07:31,440
goes because i think that's what made it

1940
01:07:34,549 --> 01:07:32,799
real like oh

1941
01:07:36,150 --> 01:07:34,559
man somebody like

1942
01:07:38,710 --> 01:07:36,160
okay people could get her and then you

1943
01:07:40,309 --> 01:07:38,720
see later on in the later episodes that

1944
01:07:42,069 --> 01:07:40,319
travis himself

1945
01:07:43,190 --> 01:07:42,079
starts to experience some of these same

1946
01:07:45,029 --> 01:07:43,200
things

1947
01:07:47,589 --> 01:07:45,039
and so um

1948
01:07:50,630 --> 01:07:47,599
it uh it validated the fact that we need

1949
01:07:52,870 --> 01:07:50,640
to be we need to be cautious

1950
01:07:54,470 --> 01:07:52,880
absolutely and that incident was

1951
01:07:55,910 --> 01:07:54,480
highlighted you know

1952
01:07:57,510 --> 01:07:55,920
again hopefully something that doesn't

1953
01:08:00,390 --> 01:07:57,520
happen again to you because it can't be

1954
01:08:02,390 --> 01:08:00,400
a nice thing to experience however well

1955
01:08:03,910 --> 01:08:02,400
anything that the cameras did or didn't

1956
01:08:05,270 --> 01:08:03,920
pick up that you would put alongside

1957
01:08:07,190 --> 01:08:05,280
that as some of the strangest things

1958
01:08:10,630 --> 01:08:07,200
that you've been a part of or witnessed

1959
01:08:12,870 --> 01:08:10,640
well while you've been on the ranch

1960
01:08:14,710 --> 01:08:12,880
yeah so my injury is definitely the top

1961
01:08:16,709 --> 01:08:14,720
and then um

1962
01:08:19,910 --> 01:08:16,719
because i spend so much time on the

1963
01:08:21,829 --> 01:08:19,920
ranch um

1964
01:08:23,669 --> 01:08:21,839
as far as my physical prep like

1965
01:08:24,789 --> 01:08:23,679
physically present on the ranch i i

1966
01:08:26,470 --> 01:08:24,799
spend

1967
01:08:28,229 --> 01:08:26,480
just as much if not more time than

1968
01:08:30,550 --> 01:08:28,239
anybody else on the ranch team and have

1969
01:08:31,910 --> 01:08:30,560
done since day one

1970
01:08:34,390 --> 01:08:31,920
um i

1971
01:08:36,070 --> 01:08:34,400
i've had the opportunity blessing or

1972
01:08:38,070 --> 01:08:36,080
curse i'm not sure

1973
01:08:39,749 --> 01:08:38,080
of having a lot of experiences on the

1974
01:08:40,630 --> 01:08:39,759
ranch i've experienced

1975
01:08:41,829 --> 01:08:40,640
hair

1976
01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:41,839
um

1977
01:08:45,669 --> 01:08:43,920
and this is a feeling where i didn't see

1978
01:08:48,870 --> 01:08:45,679
anything

1979
01:08:50,630 --> 01:08:48,880
i couldn't like i couldn't tangibly see

1980
01:08:52,950 --> 01:08:50,640
what the danger was

1981
01:08:55,030 --> 01:08:52,960
but there was like a neurological or

1982
01:08:58,149 --> 01:08:55,040
psychological effect i think

1983
01:09:01,349 --> 01:08:58,159
i think it had to do some type of

1984
01:09:05,349 --> 01:09:01,359
we've recorded these high

1985
01:09:09,510 --> 01:09:08,149
uh my brain's shortened out now we've re

1986
01:09:11,430 --> 01:09:09,520
we've registered a lot of these radio

1987
01:09:13,349 --> 01:09:11,440
frequencies that are extremely high

1988
01:09:16,070 --> 01:09:13,359
borderline dangerous

1989
01:09:17,110 --> 01:09:16,080
and there have been times on this ranch

1990
01:09:18,870 --> 01:09:17,120
and they've

1991
01:09:20,390 --> 01:09:18,880
they've happened at night

1992
01:09:22,870 --> 01:09:20,400
um i've been over there doing my

1993
01:09:24,870 --> 01:09:22,880
responsibilities one was one night was

1994
01:09:26,789 --> 01:09:24,880
when i was plowing snow and i actually

1995
01:09:29,749 --> 01:09:26,799
heard an audible voice associated with

1996
01:09:32,309 --> 01:09:29,759
this and when i and it told me to stop

1997
01:09:35,990 --> 01:09:32,319
and don't go any further

1998
01:09:38,709 --> 01:09:36,000
and uh when i ignored this voice i mean

1999
01:09:40,870 --> 01:09:38,719
it i know for a fact it was not audible

2000
01:09:42,390 --> 01:09:40,880
like it happened inside my head

2001
01:09:44,709 --> 01:09:42,400
but i couldn't tell like you couldn't

2002
01:09:47,829 --> 01:09:44,719
have told me the difference it sounded

2003
01:09:49,269 --> 01:09:47,839
just as if you're talking to me

2004
01:09:50,709 --> 01:09:49,279
but i know it wasn't audible because i

2005
01:09:52,789 --> 01:09:50,719
was plowing snow

2006
01:09:54,550 --> 01:09:52,799
my skid steer was making so much noise

2007
01:09:56,790 --> 01:09:54,560
and then i had earbuds in my ears

2008
01:09:58,310 --> 01:09:56,800
listening to an audio book so somebody

2009
01:10:00,310 --> 01:09:58,320
could have been standing three feet away

2010
01:10:01,990 --> 01:10:00,320
from me yelling at me and i may not have

2011
01:10:04,709 --> 01:10:02,000
heard of them hurt them because of all

2012
01:10:06,709 --> 01:10:04,719
the noise the machine was making

2013
01:10:08,870 --> 01:10:06,719
but i heard the voice crystal clear

2014
01:10:11,990 --> 01:10:08,880
which tells me it came from inside my

2015
01:10:15,030 --> 01:10:12,000
head not outside my head i ignored the

2016
01:10:17,750 --> 01:10:15,040
warning it told me to not go any further

2017
01:10:19,990 --> 01:10:17,760
and uh immediately

2018
01:10:20,950 --> 01:10:20,000
when i when i continued down

2019
01:10:21,750 --> 01:10:20,960
on

2020
01:10:23,030 --> 01:10:21,760
uh

2021
01:10:24,630 --> 01:10:23,040
when i came

2022
01:10:25,910 --> 01:10:24,640
i was plowing snow so i went back to the

2023
01:10:27,350 --> 01:10:25,920
ranch house and i was coming back and

2024
01:10:29,270 --> 01:10:27,360
when i got to that point that i'd been

2025
01:10:31,030 --> 01:10:29,280
warned not to go any further i just

2026
01:10:33,270 --> 01:10:31,040
thought well that's stupid

2027
01:10:35,110 --> 01:10:33,280
um i'm just imagining this stuff and i

2028
01:10:36,070 --> 01:10:35,120
kept going and i only made it maybe 100

2029
01:10:37,750 --> 01:10:36,080
feet

2030
01:10:38,550 --> 01:10:37,760
and all of a sudden this terror gripped

2031
01:10:40,149 --> 01:10:38,560
me

2032
01:10:41,990 --> 01:10:40,159
this fear

2033
01:10:43,510 --> 01:10:42,000
and it's unlike anything i've ever

2034
01:10:45,830 --> 01:10:43,520
experienced in my entire life i've been

2035
01:10:48,470 --> 01:10:45,840
scared before but nothing like this

2036
01:10:50,149 --> 01:10:48,480
and it became so bad that i was shaking

2037
01:10:51,910 --> 01:10:50,159
like i i was like i had parkinson's

2038
01:10:53,910 --> 01:10:51,920
disease i was shaking so severely i

2039
01:10:56,470 --> 01:10:53,920
couldn't control it

2040
01:10:58,870 --> 01:10:56,480
and uh and these these times when this

2041
01:11:00,870 --> 01:10:58,880
fear comes over me the psychological or

2042
01:11:02,709 --> 01:11:00,880
the neurological effects

2043
01:11:04,390 --> 01:11:02,719
i had one well this particular time i

2044
01:11:05,830 --> 01:11:04,400
shook for about 12 hours before i

2045
01:11:07,590 --> 01:11:05,840
stopped shaking

2046
01:11:09,669 --> 01:11:07,600
i couldn't control it it was it was

2047
01:11:12,070 --> 01:11:09,679
outside of my ability to control it the

2048
01:11:14,630 --> 01:11:12,080
next time it was almost 24 hours before

2049
01:11:15,590 --> 01:11:14,640
i stopped shaking so i've had that

2050
01:11:18,229 --> 01:11:15,600
happen

2051
01:11:20,470 --> 01:11:18,239
um i've seen

2052
01:11:23,910 --> 01:11:20,480
um

2053
01:11:25,750 --> 01:11:23,920
i've seen things disa like

2054
01:11:28,149 --> 01:11:25,760
there was one day i thought i saw a dog

2055
01:11:30,229 --> 01:11:28,159
walking across the road we'd had we'd

2056
01:11:33,430 --> 01:11:30,239
had some animals some

2057
01:11:34,550 --> 01:11:33,440
a pack of dogs chasing the livestock

2058
01:11:36,470 --> 01:11:34,560
and uh

2059
01:11:38,950 --> 01:11:36,480
so i saw this dog crossing the road and

2060
01:11:41,350 --> 01:11:38,960
i thought i would go up and catch it

2061
01:11:44,550 --> 01:11:41,360
and when i got up to it it wasn't there

2062
01:11:46,070 --> 01:11:44,560
like it just vaporized so it was like a

2063
01:11:48,550 --> 01:11:46,080
mirage

2064
01:11:49,669 --> 01:11:48,560
type thing um

2065
01:11:53,510 --> 01:11:49,679
i've

2066
01:11:56,390 --> 01:11:53,520
phone you see on the episode where the

2067
01:11:57,990 --> 01:11:56,400
cell phones start going crazy i've had

2068
01:12:00,310 --> 01:11:58,000
my phone gripped

2069
01:12:03,510 --> 01:12:00,320
um i've seen

2070
01:12:05,110 --> 01:12:03,520
batteries go from 100 to zero in in

2071
01:12:08,390 --> 01:12:05,120
under two minutes

2072
01:12:11,030 --> 01:12:08,400
i've had um i'm trying to think i've had

2073
01:12:14,709 --> 01:12:11,040
a lot of things with my equipment

2074
01:12:17,910 --> 01:12:16,390
so many that i could i could literally

2075
01:12:20,470 --> 01:12:17,920
spend two hours just telling you about

2076
01:12:21,990 --> 01:12:20,480
the experience maybe maybe four hours

2077
01:12:23,830 --> 01:12:22,000
talking about the experiences i've seen

2078
01:12:25,830 --> 01:12:23,840
but i've i've

2079
01:12:27,510 --> 01:12:25,840
i've felt i've seen shadow figures over

2080
01:12:29,110 --> 01:12:27,520
in the homesteads

2081
01:12:30,390 --> 01:12:29,120
um

2082
01:12:32,149 --> 01:12:30,400
so

2083
01:12:33,910 --> 01:12:32,159
all kinds of strange

2084
01:12:35,830 --> 01:12:33,920
crazy things

2085
01:12:37,510 --> 01:12:35,840
and that's the beauty of the ranch isn't

2086
01:12:39,590 --> 01:12:37,520
it that and the area that there's it's

2087
01:12:41,910 --> 01:12:39,600
not just one phenomena it isn't just

2088
01:12:44,310 --> 01:12:41,920
those ufos it's not just there's there's

2089
01:12:45,510 --> 01:12:44,320
lights on the mesa or you know

2090
01:12:47,990 --> 01:12:45,520
it's not you're getting these weird

2091
01:12:49,189 --> 01:12:48,000
sounds coming from underneath the homes

2092
01:12:51,110 --> 01:12:49,199
uh

2093
01:12:53,030 --> 01:12:51,120
there's a lot going on you know huge

2094
01:12:54,709 --> 01:12:53,040
dire wolf type creatures portals

2095
01:12:56,709 --> 01:12:54,719
potentially opening up left right and

2096
01:12:59,189 --> 01:12:56,719
center so that that's the kind of

2097
01:13:01,430 --> 01:12:59,199
mistake and then the nature of the ranch

2098
01:13:03,430 --> 01:13:01,440
obviously we've got a second series

2099
01:13:04,630 --> 01:13:03,440
brandon himself has said should be

2100
01:13:06,950 --> 01:13:04,640
filming

2101
01:13:08,790 --> 01:13:06,960
soon um if you've got anything more like

2102
01:13:10,550 --> 01:13:08,800
you know any more about the dates or

2103
01:13:12,550 --> 01:13:10,560
what we can kind of expect from a second

2104
01:13:14,229 --> 01:13:12,560
season and even if you're kind of bound

2105
01:13:16,070 --> 01:13:14,239
by networks that you can't discuss that

2106
01:13:19,430 --> 01:13:16,080
kind of detail you know what would you

2107
01:13:24,470 --> 01:13:19,440
like to see in a second season

2108
01:13:26,070 --> 01:13:24,480
well um yeah so brandon being the boss

2109
01:13:27,270 --> 01:13:26,080
can get away with a lot of things i

2110
01:13:29,830 --> 01:13:27,280
can't so

2111
01:13:31,189 --> 01:13:29,840
i i took his lead you know he tweeted

2112
01:13:32,950 --> 01:13:31,199
out the other day that we were having a

2113
01:13:35,030 --> 01:13:32,960
second season and i took the lead and

2114
01:13:36,790 --> 01:13:35,040
was like sweet it's public knowledge now

2115
01:13:37,830 --> 01:13:36,800
i can share it with people

2116
01:13:39,990 --> 01:13:37,840
and then

2117
01:13:41,510 --> 01:13:40,000
only to be told but no i can't share

2118
01:13:43,990 --> 01:13:41,520
that with people yet and it hasn't been

2119
01:13:45,750 --> 01:13:44,000
made official so i'll let brandon take

2120
01:13:49,189 --> 01:13:45,760
the lead on that stuff he seems to be

2121
01:13:53,910 --> 01:13:51,030
but i will say

2122
01:13:55,350 --> 01:13:53,920
um i and i've been vocal about this with

2123
01:13:58,470 --> 01:13:55,360
brandon and i've been vocal about it

2124
01:13:59,990 --> 01:13:58,480
with the network and our meetings um

2125
01:14:00,709 --> 01:14:00,000
you know when you're looking forward to

2126
01:14:02,229 --> 01:14:00,719
what

2127
01:14:04,229 --> 01:14:02,239
you know

2128
01:14:05,669 --> 01:14:04,239
hypothetically if there was a second

2129
01:14:06,550 --> 01:14:05,679
season

2130
01:14:07,910 --> 01:14:06,560
yeah

2131
01:14:11,110 --> 01:14:07,920
what would we do

2132
01:14:13,030 --> 01:14:11,120
uh there's things

2133
01:14:15,590 --> 01:14:13,040
we we discovered a lot of things in

2134
01:14:19,430 --> 01:14:15,600
episode one i mean in in season one that

2135
01:14:20,630 --> 01:14:19,440
i'd like to go back and revisit and

2136
01:14:24,310 --> 01:14:20,640
and

2137
01:14:25,270 --> 01:14:24,320
investigate out

2138
01:14:27,189 --> 01:14:25,280
um

2139
01:14:29,430 --> 01:14:27,199
there's a lot of loose ends left hanging

2140
01:14:30,950 --> 01:14:29,440
that that need followed up on

2141
01:14:32,310 --> 01:14:30,960
um

2142
01:14:34,229 --> 01:14:32,320
in addition

2143
01:14:35,030 --> 01:14:34,239
there's things in second season that i

2144
01:14:37,350 --> 01:14:35,040
hope

2145
01:14:40,149 --> 01:14:37,360
i told i told the network

2146
01:14:42,790 --> 01:14:40,159
that i sincerely hope in second season

2147
01:14:45,430 --> 01:14:42,800
that they will be less

2148
01:14:47,270 --> 01:14:45,440
um in season one they did not

2149
01:14:49,750 --> 01:14:47,280
they they have this rule like they

2150
01:14:52,070 --> 01:14:49,760
called it the fourth curtain and that is

2151
01:14:53,669 --> 01:14:52,080
that they don't want to become the story

2152
01:14:57,669 --> 01:14:53,679
like they're there to capture the story

2153
01:15:00,470 --> 01:14:57,679
they don't want to become a story and so

2154
01:15:02,630 --> 01:15:00,480
the the camera the the production crew

2155
01:15:05,270 --> 01:15:02,640
experienced a lot of things themselves i

2156
01:15:07,750 --> 01:15:05,280
mean their equipment was not immune to

2157
01:15:10,470 --> 01:15:07,760
the to the anomalies that take place on

2158
01:15:12,790 --> 01:15:10,480
the ranch they struggled with batteries

2159
01:15:15,030 --> 01:15:12,800
going dead they struggled with getting

2160
01:15:17,669 --> 01:15:15,040
equipment to work properly matter of

2161
01:15:20,390 --> 01:15:17,679
fact there's a huge there's a huge

2162
01:15:22,870 --> 01:15:20,400
section of uh filming that we did that

2163
01:15:24,950 --> 01:15:22,880
got wiped mysteriously

2164
01:15:26,870 --> 01:15:24,960
um

2165
01:15:29,430 --> 01:15:26,880
on a section they

2166
01:15:30,870 --> 01:15:29,440
they experienced strange things on that

2167
01:15:33,430 --> 01:15:30,880
ranch as well

2168
01:15:34,550 --> 01:15:33,440
and unfortunately i feel like when you

2169
01:15:36,070 --> 01:15:34,560
when you don't

2170
01:15:37,750 --> 01:15:36,080
document those

2171
01:15:41,189 --> 01:15:37,760
then it leads to the criticism and

2172
01:15:43,830 --> 01:15:41,199
justly so that says well how come you

2173
01:15:45,750 --> 01:15:43,840
know why is it that that guy's 35 000

2174
01:15:47,990 --> 01:15:45,760
drone won't work but the network's drone

2175
01:15:49,669 --> 01:15:48,000
works just fine to capture it it must be

2176
01:15:51,669 --> 01:15:49,679
made up it must be

2177
01:15:52,709 --> 01:15:51,679
you know this is just fake

2178
01:15:55,590 --> 01:15:52,719
and so

2179
01:15:57,110 --> 01:15:55,600
i really hope that see season two

2180
01:15:59,430 --> 01:15:57,120
that when

2181
01:16:00,790 --> 01:15:59,440
not if but when they experience some of

2182
01:16:02,630 --> 01:16:00,800
the same troubles that we're

2183
01:16:04,470 --> 01:16:02,640
experiencing

2184
01:16:06,870 --> 01:16:04,480
the audience can see that and be shown

2185
01:16:07,669 --> 01:16:06,880
behind the curtain and be like oh

2186
01:16:09,990 --> 01:16:07,679
like

2187
01:16:12,470 --> 01:16:10,000
the network's cameras just went down and

2188
01:16:15,189 --> 01:16:12,480
we don't know why we can't figure it out

2189
01:16:17,110 --> 01:16:15,199
rather than that never being shown so i

2190
01:16:19,189 --> 01:16:17,120
hope that that is shown

2191
01:16:20,550 --> 01:16:19,199
um i hope

2192
01:16:30,310 --> 01:16:20,560
that

2193
01:16:31,990 --> 01:16:30,320
technically every object in the sky is a

2194
01:16:33,350 --> 01:16:32,000
ufo

2195
01:16:35,030 --> 01:16:33,360
for at least

2196
01:16:37,030 --> 01:16:35,040
a minute until your brain registers

2197
01:16:38,950 --> 01:16:37,040
that's a plane well that's a helicopter

2198
01:16:40,870 --> 01:16:38,960
or that's a drone

2199
01:16:44,229 --> 01:16:40,880
um

2200
01:16:45,990 --> 01:16:44,239
we see so many ufos on the ranch it's

2201
01:16:48,709 --> 01:16:46,000
unbelievable

2202
01:16:50,790 --> 01:16:48,719
but they might be a ufo for a day they

2203
01:16:52,550 --> 01:16:50,800
might be a ufo for a week they might be

2204
01:16:55,590 --> 01:16:52,560
a ufo for a year

2205
01:16:57,590 --> 01:16:55,600
until we finally are able to crack the

2206
01:16:59,990 --> 01:16:57,600
mystery of what that what oh that was

2207
01:17:02,630 --> 01:17:00,000
that was flight 1248

2208
01:17:04,709 --> 01:17:02,640
united you know going to london

2209
01:17:08,950 --> 01:17:04,719
and for whatever reason it didn't show

2210
01:17:13,189 --> 01:17:08,960
up or whatever it is and truth be told

2211
01:17:17,030 --> 01:17:13,199
98 or 99 of the ufos we see on the ranch

2212
01:17:19,310 --> 01:17:17,040
yeah they're ufos for a time but then as

2213
01:17:21,590 --> 01:17:19,320
we do the investigation as eric does his

2214
01:17:23,110 --> 01:17:21,600
post-processing on the video and all

2215
01:17:26,950 --> 01:17:23,120
that

2216
01:17:27,990 --> 01:17:26,960
of mundane

2217
01:17:29,030 --> 01:17:28,000
origin

2218
01:17:30,470 --> 01:17:29,040
you know

2219
01:17:32,950 --> 01:17:30,480
and so

2220
01:17:34,790 --> 01:17:32,960
i hope that they allow us to show some

2221
01:17:37,910 --> 01:17:34,800
of those things so that people can see

2222
01:17:39,590 --> 01:17:37,920
we do our due diligence and uh we're not

2223
01:17:41,830 --> 01:17:39,600
just drinking kool-aid

2224
01:17:42,950 --> 01:17:41,840
not every fly on the camera lens is a

2225
01:17:45,350 --> 01:17:42,960
ufo

2226
01:17:46,390 --> 01:17:45,360
not not every snowflake out there is an

2227
01:17:47,510 --> 01:17:46,400
orb

2228
01:17:50,470 --> 01:17:47,520
and uh

2229
01:17:52,229 --> 01:17:50,480
but if that's all you show on television

2230
01:17:53,430 --> 01:17:52,239
and that's all the audience sees then

2231
01:17:55,510 --> 01:17:53,440
how are they supposed to know that

2232
01:17:58,149 --> 01:17:55,520
you've eliminated you know you're

2233
01:17:59,189 --> 01:17:58,159
calling this uh unknown

2234
01:18:01,430 --> 01:17:59,199
object

2235
01:18:03,350 --> 01:18:01,440
because you've already eliminated out

2236
01:18:05,430 --> 01:18:03,360
the insects and the bugs and the planes

2237
01:18:06,630 --> 01:18:05,440
and the drones and the helicopters and

2238
01:18:09,110 --> 01:18:06,640
the dust

2239
01:18:09,990 --> 01:18:09,120
and all the things that can look

2240
01:18:12,470 --> 01:18:10,000
really

2241
01:18:13,750 --> 01:18:12,480
it can look damn impressive in a camera

2242
01:18:17,189 --> 01:18:13,760
but actually at the end of the day it's

2243
01:18:19,110 --> 01:18:17,199
just regular if they'll allow us to show

2244
01:18:22,310 --> 01:18:19,120
the guys kind of going through that

2245
01:18:25,189 --> 01:18:22,320
process of eliminating it and finding

2246
01:18:27,350 --> 01:18:25,199
out that oh that was really cool to see

2247
01:18:28,790 --> 01:18:27,360
but at the end of the day that was

2248
01:18:32,229 --> 01:18:28,800
actually a piece of dust that was

2249
01:18:33,189 --> 01:18:32,239
reflecting the infrared camera lens

2250
01:18:34,870 --> 01:18:33,199
you know

2251
01:18:36,550 --> 01:18:34,880
and so i think that will help bring

2252
01:18:38,390 --> 01:18:36,560
credibility to the show if the audience

2253
01:18:39,750 --> 01:18:38,400
is able to see behind the curtain just a

2254
01:18:41,590 --> 01:18:39,760
little bit more

2255
01:18:43,350 --> 01:18:41,600
and see and i don't want to call them

2256
01:18:45,590 --> 01:18:43,360
failures because it's not a failure but

2257
01:18:46,550 --> 01:18:45,600
see some of the debunking that takes

2258
01:18:48,310 --> 01:18:46,560
place

2259
01:18:50,630 --> 01:18:48,320
you know that that would be great i mean

2260
01:18:52,870 --> 01:18:50,640
and you would think especially in 2020

2261
01:18:54,790 --> 01:18:52,880
or more than likely 2021 when we

2262
01:18:57,110 --> 01:18:54,800
potentially get to see a second season

2263
01:18:58,630 --> 01:18:57,120
if they make a second season of course

2264
01:19:00,229 --> 01:18:58,640
right you've got you've got a lot of

2265
01:19:01,910 --> 01:19:00,239
different platforms where you could put

2266
01:19:03,510 --> 01:19:01,920
content like that but if they don't want

2267
01:19:06,229 --> 01:19:03,520
it and i mean show that they still want

2268
01:19:08,070 --> 01:19:06,239
to make you know dramatized or you know

2269
01:19:09,430 --> 01:19:08,080
really focus on the entertainment aspect

2270
01:19:11,270 --> 01:19:09,440
and you talked about you know some of

2271
01:19:13,189 --> 01:19:11,280
the boring science or the more mundane

2272
01:19:15,110 --> 01:19:13,199
things you could put that on a youtube

2273
01:19:16,790 --> 01:19:15,120
or you could put that on twitter or

2274
01:19:18,310 --> 01:19:16,800
whatever kind of platform they want if

2275
01:19:20,310 --> 01:19:18,320
they want to put on their own website

2276
01:19:21,830 --> 01:19:20,320
you know here's bonus content for people

2277
01:19:23,350 --> 01:19:21,840
and yeah i'm sure there would be a

2278
01:19:24,709 --> 01:19:23,360
market for that because that's that's

2279
01:19:25,750 --> 01:19:24,719
something that definitely when i go

2280
01:19:27,990 --> 01:19:25,760
through the twitter feeds and the

2281
01:19:29,910 --> 01:19:28,000
message boards people question these

2282
01:19:31,990 --> 01:19:29,920
things so the interest is definitely

2283
01:19:34,149 --> 01:19:32,000
there that that probably takes us nicely

2284
01:19:35,590 --> 01:19:34,159
thomas onto some listener questions um

2285
01:19:37,590 --> 01:19:35,600
because the first one is linked into

2286
01:19:39,990 --> 01:19:37,600
what you've you've just said there so

2287
01:19:42,229 --> 01:19:40,000
ashley um had a few questions for you

2288
01:19:44,709 --> 01:19:42,239
what kind of experiments would thomas

2289
01:19:46,870 --> 01:19:44,719
and the team like to do next and also

2290
01:19:48,830 --> 01:19:46,880
are there any experiments you've done

2291
01:19:50,870 --> 01:19:48,840
you think you could have improved

2292
01:19:53,189 --> 01:19:50,880
on um

2293
01:19:56,470 --> 01:19:53,199
i want better gpr

2294
01:19:59,430 --> 01:19:56,480
so if if thomas gets to call the shots

2295
01:20:01,189 --> 01:19:59,440
and uh and i get to do this then

2296
01:20:03,030 --> 01:20:01,199
um i want better

2297
01:20:05,590 --> 01:20:03,040
not i'm not saying the guys that did

2298
01:20:08,390 --> 01:20:05,600
season one didn't do a good job i'm

2299
01:20:13,830 --> 01:20:08,400
saying they weren't able to do enough of

2300
01:20:18,470 --> 01:20:16,470
and i want to investigate further over

2301
01:20:20,790 --> 01:20:18,480
the homestead 2

2302
01:20:23,030 --> 01:20:20,800
um you know that

2303
01:20:25,350 --> 01:20:23,040
where we did the drilling

2304
01:20:26,390 --> 01:20:25,360
i think that we need to look into that

2305
01:20:28,629 --> 01:20:26,400
more

2306
01:20:30,550 --> 01:20:28,639
um you know it's funny i actually made a

2307
01:20:33,430 --> 01:20:30,560
whole list the other day because

2308
01:20:34,950 --> 01:20:33,440
i did submit a list saying girl you know

2309
01:20:36,390 --> 01:20:34,960
if there were season two these are some

2310
01:20:38,629 --> 01:20:36,400
of the ideas that i would i would like

2311
01:20:39,669 --> 01:20:38,639
to explore further if i had if i had to

2312
01:20:40,550 --> 01:20:39,679
say

2313
01:20:42,070 --> 01:20:40,560
um

2314
01:20:43,990 --> 01:20:42,080
but

2315
01:20:45,830 --> 01:20:44,000
we we triangulated

2316
01:20:47,830 --> 01:20:45,840
i think one of the biggest things is we

2317
01:20:49,750 --> 01:20:47,840
keep picking up these strange signals

2318
01:20:51,110 --> 01:20:49,760
these strange rfs

2319
01:20:52,709 --> 01:20:51,120
and

2320
01:20:54,790 --> 01:20:52,719
when we've done the rockets when we did

2321
01:20:56,950 --> 01:20:54,800
the weather balloon

2322
01:20:58,950 --> 01:20:56,960
the data seems to suggest that the

2323
01:21:00,709 --> 01:20:58,960
higher up we're going the stronger the

2324
01:21:01,910 --> 01:21:00,719
signals are getting which

2325
01:21:03,430 --> 01:21:01,920
would be

2326
01:21:04,870 --> 01:21:03,440
opposite of what

2327
01:21:05,990 --> 01:21:04,880
should be happening according to the

2328
01:21:09,350 --> 01:21:06,000
scientists

2329
01:21:10,870 --> 01:21:09,360
so i would really like to drill down and

2330
01:21:13,110 --> 01:21:10,880
go higher

2331
01:21:14,790 --> 01:21:13,120
figure out a way to put equipment up

2332
01:21:17,110 --> 01:21:14,800
higher for longer

2333
01:21:18,870 --> 01:21:17,120
and get some good data that's not just a

2334
01:21:20,390 --> 01:21:18,880
few seconds long like you know the

2335
01:21:22,470 --> 01:21:20,400
rockets were great but

2336
01:21:24,470 --> 01:21:22,480
you're really limited in time

2337
01:21:27,270 --> 01:21:24,480
as to the sample size that you're able

2338
01:21:29,350 --> 01:21:27,280
to get so i'd like to really look

2339
01:21:31,990 --> 01:21:29,360
uh further at

2340
01:21:33,350 --> 01:21:32,000
um the rf signals that we're picking up

2341
01:21:35,510 --> 01:21:33,360
out there

2342
01:21:37,110 --> 01:21:35,520
and then um i'd like to branch out a

2343
01:21:38,870 --> 01:21:37,120
little bit and

2344
01:21:40,629 --> 01:21:38,880
i would like to see us

2345
01:21:42,709 --> 01:21:40,639
setting up some instrumentation that

2346
01:21:44,229 --> 01:21:42,719
would allow us to tell you know when

2347
01:21:46,229 --> 01:21:44,239
we're seeing something on the ranch are

2348
01:21:48,070 --> 01:21:46,239
we seeing it other places in the united

2349
01:21:49,590 --> 01:21:48,080
basin as well

2350
01:21:50,629 --> 01:21:49,600
so i'd like to branch out a little bit

2351
01:21:55,110 --> 01:21:50,639
and see

2352
01:21:57,990 --> 01:21:55,120
we can get a

2353
01:21:59,430 --> 01:21:58,000
idea of just how localized this is to

2354
01:22:00,390 --> 01:21:59,440
the ranch

2355
01:22:01,910 --> 01:22:00,400
awesome

2356
01:22:03,830 --> 01:22:01,920
um

2357
01:22:05,510 --> 01:22:03,840
i suppose the ideal was you know when

2358
01:22:07,350 --> 01:22:05,520
you done that rocket experiment what we

2359
01:22:09,189 --> 01:22:07,360
were all going to hopefully see was the

2360
01:22:10,550 --> 01:22:09,199
rocket shooting into the sky and then

2361
01:22:12,870 --> 01:22:10,560
about you know a couple of hundred feet

2362
01:22:14,149 --> 01:22:12,880
up hitting something dropping out the

2363
01:22:15,590 --> 01:22:14,159
sky and it's being like oh there's

2364
01:22:17,590 --> 01:22:15,600
something sitting there it's got an

2365
01:22:20,149 --> 01:22:17,600
invisibility cloak or it's hidden and we

2366
01:22:21,510 --> 01:22:20,159
just can't see it but but yeah so but no

2367
01:22:23,510 --> 01:22:21,520
but some of those experiments like you

2368
01:22:25,030 --> 01:22:23,520
say they were intriguing enough you want

2369
01:22:27,030 --> 01:22:25,040
to see more and you kind of want to take

2370
01:22:29,270 --> 01:22:27,040
it that next step further and again that

2371
01:22:30,709 --> 01:22:29,280
ties in with what you said earlier that

2372
01:22:32,149 --> 01:22:30,719
these experiments for all they've got a

2373
01:22:34,149 --> 01:22:32,159
monetary value

2374
01:22:35,590 --> 01:22:34,159
like someone like brandon okay so if

2375
01:22:38,390 --> 01:22:35,600
there's something in the first one you

2376
01:22:39,910 --> 01:22:38,400
do let's spend a bit more next time and

2377
01:22:41,430 --> 01:22:39,920
investigating it further and again that

2378
01:22:43,430 --> 01:22:41,440
would be great for season two so thanks

2379
01:22:45,350 --> 01:22:43,440
for that question ashley stephen had a

2380
01:22:46,709 --> 01:22:45,360
question or two questions

2381
01:22:49,510 --> 01:22:46,719
are you aware of the history of

2382
01:22:51,350 --> 01:22:49,520
different ufo cases and if so do you see

2383
01:22:53,430 --> 01:22:51,360
any patterns with what goes on around

2384
01:22:56,390 --> 01:22:53,440
the world and what goes on in the ranch

2385
01:22:58,629 --> 01:22:56,400
in terms of ufos

2386
01:23:01,030 --> 01:22:58,639
yeah so before i became associated with

2387
01:23:03,750 --> 01:23:01,040
the ranch this is not a

2388
01:23:06,870 --> 01:23:03,760
area that caught my interest i did not

2389
01:23:09,910 --> 01:23:06,880
spend any time on ufo theories or in the

2390
01:23:11,910 --> 01:23:09,920
paranormal world as a businessman like i

2391
01:23:13,990 --> 01:23:11,920
said i didn't even believe in this stuff

2392
01:23:16,070 --> 01:23:14,000
since becoming associated with the ranch

2393
01:23:18,229 --> 01:23:16,080
um as more and more things have happened

2394
01:23:20,790 --> 01:23:18,239
on the ranch then obviously i it's led

2395
01:23:23,110 --> 01:23:20,800
me to reach out and start looking at

2396
01:23:25,590 --> 01:23:23,120
um you know our do do they see these

2397
01:23:28,550 --> 01:23:25,600
things in other places i think the tic

2398
01:23:30,790 --> 01:23:28,560
tacs is a very pretty visible one that's

2399
01:23:33,590 --> 01:23:30,800
come to light recently with the pentagon

2400
01:23:35,830 --> 01:23:33,600
releasing the tic tac videos and finally

2401
01:23:38,390 --> 01:23:35,840
admitting that yes

2402
01:23:41,270 --> 01:23:38,400
uh we're encountering these things we're

2403
01:23:43,910 --> 01:23:41,280
not sure what they are

2404
01:23:46,550 --> 01:23:43,920
and so in doing that i've studied a

2405
01:23:48,790 --> 01:23:46,560
little bit i'm i will

2406
01:23:50,790 --> 01:23:48,800
i am far from calling myself an expert

2407
01:23:52,310 --> 01:23:50,800
on any of it i have i know just enough

2408
01:23:55,510 --> 01:23:52,320
to make me dangerous

2409
01:23:58,149 --> 01:23:55,520
and uh but i am i am learning more and i

2410
01:24:00,950 --> 01:23:58,159
am studying more about it and trying to

2411
01:24:02,790 --> 01:24:00,960
get myself better versed in

2412
01:24:04,709 --> 01:24:02,800
what people are seeing in other places

2413
01:24:07,110 --> 01:24:04,719
and so then it can help me better

2414
01:24:09,270 --> 01:24:07,120
identify what we're seeing on the ranch

2415
01:24:10,709 --> 01:24:09,280
awesome uh stephen's follow-up question

2416
01:24:12,470 --> 01:24:10,719
i suppose it's really going to push for

2417
01:24:14,149 --> 01:24:12,480
how much you want to answer this and

2418
01:24:16,870 --> 01:24:14,159
it's absolutely no doubt going to be

2419
01:24:19,350 --> 01:24:16,880
more of a i guess or assessment in your

2420
01:24:23,110 --> 01:24:19,360
part what do you think is buried under

2421
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:25,990
um

2422
01:24:31,350 --> 01:24:30,470
all i will say with that is i'm not sure

2423
01:24:34,790 --> 01:24:31,360
but

2424
01:24:36,390 --> 01:24:34,800
the longer that i'm there and the more

2425
01:24:39,830 --> 01:24:36,400
the more that i see

2426
01:24:41,510 --> 01:24:39,840
um the more open-minded i am to the

2427
01:24:45,110 --> 01:24:41,520
possibility that there is indeed

2428
01:24:49,350 --> 01:24:45,120
something below the ranch and um

2429
01:24:51,990 --> 01:24:49,360
uh i can't help but think that um

2430
01:24:53,830 --> 01:24:52,000
that if there is something under there

2431
01:24:57,189 --> 01:24:53,840
maybe it's of ancient

2432
01:24:59,990 --> 01:24:57,199
um origin some type of a

2433
01:25:02,709 --> 01:25:00,000
piece of advanced technology

2434
01:25:04,950 --> 01:25:02,719
some type of ai

2435
01:25:06,229 --> 01:25:04,960
what we deal with on the ranch

2436
01:25:09,669 --> 01:25:06,239
it

2437
01:25:11,669 --> 01:25:09,679
tell you

2438
01:25:12,790 --> 01:25:11,679
i could spend an hour here telling you

2439
01:25:15,030 --> 01:25:12,800
of

2440
01:25:16,790 --> 01:25:15,040
specific circumstances when we've had

2441
01:25:19,590 --> 01:25:16,800
our equipment toyed with and i'm going

2442
01:25:22,310 --> 01:25:19,600
to use the word toyed

2443
01:25:24,070 --> 01:25:22,320
cameras turned on and off at

2444
01:25:27,030 --> 01:25:24,080
precisely the exact same moment that

2445
01:25:28,790 --> 01:25:27,040
we're picking up anomalies uh

2446
01:25:30,870 --> 01:25:28,800
it just so happens that it happens to be

2447
01:25:32,790 --> 01:25:30,880
the camera that would have recorded that

2448
01:25:34,390 --> 01:25:32,800
or the the instrumentation that would

2449
01:25:36,470 --> 01:25:34,400
have picked that up

2450
01:25:39,990 --> 01:25:36,480
we've seen this enough

2451
01:25:41,750 --> 01:25:40,000
that it

2452
01:25:43,669 --> 01:25:41,760
the only way that my brain can come up

2453
01:25:45,910 --> 01:25:43,679
with a logical explanation is that there

2454
01:25:48,629 --> 01:25:45,920
is an intelligence

2455
01:25:51,669 --> 01:25:48,639
to whatever it is at skinwalker ranch

2456
01:25:54,470 --> 01:25:51,679
and that it is the cat we are the mouse

2457
01:25:57,110 --> 01:25:54,480
and uh we're being toyed with so

2458
01:26:00,229 --> 01:25:57,120
as far as what's being buried underneath

2459
01:26:02,229 --> 01:26:00,239
uh i'm i'm very open-minded now i would

2460
01:26:04,070 --> 01:26:02,239
have laughed at that idea just

2461
01:26:05,669 --> 01:26:04,080
even two years ago

2462
01:26:07,350 --> 01:26:05,679
and today i would say i'm very

2463
01:26:09,030 --> 01:26:07,360
open-minded to the fact that there

2464
01:26:11,350 --> 01:26:09,040
possibly could be something buried under

2465
01:26:14,229 --> 01:26:11,360
the ranch and if there is i would say

2466
01:26:15,189 --> 01:26:14,239
it's some type of source of intelligence

2467
01:26:17,750 --> 01:26:15,199
uh

2468
01:26:18,629 --> 01:26:17,760
artificial or technology i don't know

2469
01:26:20,470 --> 01:26:18,639
but

2470
01:26:22,229 --> 01:26:20,480
that's my guess

2471
01:26:23,990 --> 01:26:22,239
awesome i think travis does a bit of a

2472
01:26:25,110 --> 01:26:24,000
line tracing doesn't he on the show and

2473
01:26:27,590 --> 01:26:25,120
i don't know if this was more for

2474
01:26:29,510 --> 01:26:27,600
dramatic effect but it definitely if you

2475
01:26:32,070 --> 01:26:29,520
were going to draw a type of ufo i'm

2476
01:26:34,470 --> 01:26:32,080
sure in your top five shapes of alien

2477
01:26:37,189 --> 01:26:34,480
spacecraft that would have came out um

2478
01:26:39,030 --> 01:26:37,199
but again as based on seismology is at

2479
01:26:40,390 --> 01:26:39,040
the right term and kind of sending

2480
01:26:42,629 --> 01:26:40,400
signals under the ground and kind of

2481
01:26:44,950 --> 01:26:42,639
picking it back up so so yeah that

2482
01:26:46,870 --> 01:26:44,960
that's pretty interesting can i just ask

2483
01:26:48,709 --> 01:26:46,880
slightly on topic of what you've you've

2484
01:26:50,790 --> 01:26:48,719
said but this is a question for myself

2485
01:26:53,189 --> 01:26:50,800
before i go back to listener questions

2486
01:26:55,750 --> 01:26:53,199
has brandon ever had any meetings with

2487
01:26:58,070 --> 01:26:55,760
luella zondo or tom delong or anyone at

2488
01:26:59,910 --> 01:26:58,080
two of the stars that you know of

2489
01:27:02,390 --> 01:26:59,920
not that i know of no

2490
01:27:05,030 --> 01:27:02,400
okay cool

2491
01:27:06,550 --> 01:27:05,040
he probably would have told me if he had

2492
01:27:08,070 --> 01:27:06,560
okay cool that that would be good that

2493
01:27:10,229 --> 01:27:08,080
would be a great roundtable we have i

2494
01:27:12,070 --> 01:27:10,239
think uh brandon fugo and louise

2495
01:27:13,430 --> 01:27:12,080
elizondo tommed along and a few others

2496
01:27:14,229 --> 01:27:13,440
that would be that would be interesting

2497
01:27:15,910 --> 01:27:14,239
here

2498
01:27:18,149 --> 01:27:15,920
um

2499
01:27:19,590 --> 01:27:18,159
idris sent in a question regarding the

2500
01:27:21,430 --> 01:27:19,600
the scene that again you talked about

2501
01:27:22,870 --> 01:27:21,440
the alpacas it was it drummed up a lot

2502
01:27:25,350 --> 01:27:22,880
of controversy and you had your own

2503
01:27:27,430 --> 01:27:25,360
issues with that the the scene and one

2504
01:27:30,470 --> 01:27:27,440
of the last episodes with the the death

2505
01:27:32,390 --> 01:27:30,480
of the the cattle or the cow um

2506
01:27:34,790 --> 01:27:32,400
it's very much tied in on that episode

2507
01:27:37,110 --> 01:27:34,800
that there's a ufo in the sky

2508
01:27:38,790 --> 01:27:37,120
the cattle's died an expert veterinarian

2509
01:27:41,030 --> 01:27:38,800
comes in and he basically says there's

2510
01:27:43,350 --> 01:27:41,040
been a massive stress that's came on

2511
01:27:45,430 --> 01:27:43,360
that stress and just pneumonia i believe

2512
01:27:47,189 --> 01:27:45,440
is what he says has killed the cattle

2513
01:27:48,950 --> 01:27:47,199
but there's no getting away from whether

2514
01:27:51,270 --> 01:27:48,960
it's the editing or what you guys wanted

2515
01:27:53,350 --> 01:27:51,280
it to be the the inclination is that

2516
01:27:55,110 --> 01:27:53,360
that ufo above the cattle had something

2517
01:27:57,030 --> 01:27:55,120
to do with it dying what were your

2518
01:27:58,550 --> 01:27:57,040
thoughts on that scene and incident and

2519
01:28:00,390 --> 01:27:58,560
do you think it was a true reflection of

2520
01:28:01,669 --> 01:28:00,400
what happened

2521
01:28:02,950 --> 01:28:01,679
um

2522
01:28:05,189 --> 01:28:02,960
yeah so

2523
01:28:07,910 --> 01:28:05,199
the the official determination from the

2524
01:28:10,229 --> 01:28:07,920
vet was that was rapid onset

2525
01:28:11,430 --> 01:28:10,239
stress-induced pneumonia

2526
01:28:13,669 --> 01:28:11,440
um

2527
01:28:16,629 --> 01:28:13,679
he could tell from so he was showing us

2528
01:28:17,430 --> 01:28:16,639
when he was doing the neocropsy that um

2529
01:28:20,629 --> 01:28:17,440
if

2530
01:28:22,470 --> 01:28:20,639
over time there's scar tissue that

2531
01:28:24,870 --> 01:28:22,480
builds up in the lungs

2532
01:28:27,910 --> 01:28:24,880
and there was none of that and so he

2533
01:28:30,629 --> 01:28:27,920
said it had to happen it had to have

2534
01:28:32,629 --> 01:28:30,639
happened very rapidly and it was stress

2535
01:28:36,790 --> 01:28:32,639
induced pneumonia so the cow got

2536
01:28:38,229 --> 01:28:36,800
stressed it happened really recently

2537
01:28:40,149 --> 01:28:38,239
and uh

2538
01:28:41,990 --> 01:28:40,159
so

2539
01:28:43,910 --> 01:28:42,000
that's and you know what here's the

2540
01:28:45,510 --> 01:28:43,920
thing this is the tough thing about the

2541
01:28:47,910 --> 01:28:45,520
ranch is there's a million things that

2542
01:28:48,870 --> 01:28:47,920
happen so cows die every day on ranches

2543
01:28:50,629 --> 01:28:48,880
that's

2544
01:28:54,070 --> 01:28:50,639
cows get pneumonia every day and they

2545
01:28:56,470 --> 01:28:54,080
die there's nothing strange about

2546
01:28:59,110 --> 01:28:56,480
a cow getting pneumonia and dying

2547
01:29:00,229 --> 01:28:59,120
that's just part of ranching

2548
01:29:01,270 --> 01:29:00,239
um

2549
01:29:03,590 --> 01:29:01,280
but

2550
01:29:04,709 --> 01:29:03,600
then on the other hand you have to start

2551
01:29:06,470 --> 01:29:04,719
saying

2552
01:29:09,669 --> 01:29:06,480
okay that's

2553
01:29:10,629 --> 01:29:09,679
that's the current train of thought

2554
01:29:13,910 --> 01:29:10,639
but

2555
01:29:15,590 --> 01:29:13,920
what stressed the cow what was it that

2556
01:29:18,229 --> 01:29:15,600
made that cow get stressed enough that

2557
01:29:21,510 --> 01:29:18,239
it caught pneumonia

2558
01:29:25,830 --> 01:29:24,149
other stress-induced pneumonias of other

2559
01:29:27,830 --> 01:29:25,840
answers we say oh that happens all the

2560
01:29:29,430 --> 01:29:27,840
time well maybe we need to look a little

2561
01:29:30,790 --> 01:29:29,440
closer and say why does that happen all

2562
01:29:32,790 --> 01:29:30,800
the time

2563
01:29:34,390 --> 01:29:32,800
are are there rf signals they're picking

2564
01:29:36,709 --> 01:29:34,400
that their bodies are susceptible to

2565
01:29:39,030 --> 01:29:36,719
that stressing them and causing that

2566
01:29:41,110 --> 01:29:39,040
like why are we seeing this sometimes

2567
01:29:43,590 --> 01:29:41,120
things become so normal that we just

2568
01:29:45,270 --> 01:29:43,600
accept that's just the way it is

2569
01:29:46,550 --> 01:29:45,280
that's just life

2570
01:29:48,390 --> 01:29:46,560
and maybe

2571
01:29:50,070 --> 01:29:48,400
sometimes we need to question the you

2572
01:29:53,590 --> 01:29:50,080
know question the answers question the

2573
01:29:55,830 --> 01:29:53,600
questions and and so because it is on

2574
01:29:58,790 --> 01:29:55,840
the ranch then that is naturally our

2575
01:29:59,830 --> 01:29:58,800
question was this just a regular death

2576
01:30:01,350 --> 01:29:59,840
and

2577
01:30:03,189 --> 01:30:01,360
nothing

2578
01:30:05,030 --> 01:30:03,199
strange about it or

2579
01:30:07,830 --> 01:30:05,040
was there more to it so when we start

2580
01:30:09,590 --> 01:30:07,840
going back through the footage

2581
01:30:12,149 --> 01:30:09,600
um and this is

2582
01:30:13,590 --> 01:30:12,159
anytime we like with this cow

2583
01:30:15,189 --> 01:30:13,600
we're going to go back

2584
01:30:19,030 --> 01:30:15,199
and look at all the data that we have

2585
01:30:20,550 --> 01:30:19,040
available to us leading up to this point

2586
01:30:23,270 --> 01:30:20,560
and see if we can figure out and

2587
01:30:25,030 --> 01:30:23,280
understand what stressed that cow

2588
01:30:26,790 --> 01:30:25,040
if it's that a dog was out there chasing

2589
01:30:31,350 --> 01:30:26,800
it well that explains it there's nothing

2590
01:30:34,550 --> 01:30:32,310
so

2591
01:30:38,390 --> 01:30:34,560
as we're looking at this footage there's

2592
01:30:40,310 --> 01:30:38,400
this object up in the sky now

2593
01:30:41,830 --> 01:30:40,320
the reason why

2594
01:30:43,590 --> 01:30:41,840
that object

2595
01:30:45,830 --> 01:30:43,600
i think

2596
01:30:47,430 --> 01:30:45,840
uh merits further investigation is for

2597
01:30:49,750 --> 01:30:47,440
two things

2598
01:30:51,189 --> 01:30:49,760
you could have a fly literally walking

2599
01:30:52,950 --> 01:30:51,199
across the lens of your camera that

2600
01:30:55,669 --> 01:30:52,960
could look identical to that we've seen

2601
01:30:58,310 --> 01:30:55,679
it a million times

2602
01:31:01,350 --> 01:30:58,320
with our cameras it's really hard to

2603
01:31:02,470 --> 01:31:01,360
gauge depth perception how far away was

2604
01:31:04,950 --> 01:31:02,480
that object

2605
01:31:07,910 --> 01:31:04,960
this particular object at one point

2606
01:31:08,870 --> 01:31:07,920
during the during the video

2607
01:31:11,430 --> 01:31:08,880
it

2608
01:31:13,510 --> 01:31:11,440
appears and they you know eric's still

2609
01:31:15,030 --> 01:31:13,520
doing further post-processing but it

2610
01:31:17,270 --> 01:31:15,040
appears to us

2611
01:31:19,030 --> 01:31:17,280
that the object disappears behind the

2612
01:31:19,990 --> 01:31:19,040
tree branch and then comes out the other

2613
01:31:22,870 --> 01:31:20,000
side

2614
01:31:24,709 --> 01:31:22,880
and that's important because a fly

2615
01:31:26,390 --> 01:31:24,719
would be in front of the tree branch not

2616
01:31:28,629 --> 01:31:26,400
behind it

2617
01:31:30,950 --> 01:31:28,639
well why then that takes it to the next

2618
01:31:32,629 --> 01:31:30,960
step and said and you know if we can

2619
01:31:36,070 --> 01:31:32,639
prove absolutely that that's what

2620
01:31:38,629 --> 01:31:36,080
happened is it went behind the tree

2621
01:31:41,350 --> 01:31:38,639
that gives us an idea on distance

2622
01:31:44,629 --> 01:31:41,360
for the object to look that big in the

2623
01:31:46,310 --> 01:31:44,639
camera and be and and at least be the

2624
01:31:48,310 --> 01:31:46,320
distance of the trees

2625
01:31:51,830 --> 01:31:48,320
we now can start taking measurements

2626
01:31:55,030 --> 01:31:51,840
that tell us the size of that craft

2627
01:31:57,430 --> 01:31:55,040
and the size of that craft if it's a fly

2628
01:31:59,189 --> 01:31:57,440
flying one inch away from the screen

2629
01:32:01,669 --> 01:31:59,199
that explains why it looks like it's

2630
01:32:03,590 --> 01:32:01,679
going 10 000 miles an hour you know in

2631
01:32:06,149 --> 01:32:03,600
two frames it's gone well it only went

2632
01:32:07,910 --> 01:32:06,159
two inches it was nothing but if you're

2633
01:32:09,510 --> 01:32:07,920
talking about a distance out there

2634
01:32:12,070 --> 01:32:09,520
beyond the trees

2635
01:32:14,229 --> 01:32:12,080
and it covered that amount of ground now

2636
01:32:15,110 --> 01:32:14,239
we could triangulate and we can see that

2637
01:32:19,270 --> 01:32:15,120
that

2638
01:32:21,510 --> 01:32:19,280
know be going like a thousand miles an

2639
01:32:24,470 --> 01:32:21,520
hour i don't know of a drone or a

2640
01:32:26,390 --> 01:32:24,480
helicopter that can go that fast so

2641
01:32:28,310 --> 01:32:26,400
that's kind of our thinking on this

2642
01:32:31,430 --> 01:32:28,320
particular object

2643
01:32:33,830 --> 01:32:31,440
the fact that it is above the cow and

2644
01:32:35,910 --> 01:32:33,840
you know in looking at it

2645
01:32:39,030 --> 01:32:35,920
there again we can't be certain but it

2646
01:32:40,470 --> 01:32:39,040
does look like the cow's reactions while

2647
01:32:42,070 --> 01:32:40,480
it's on the ground

2648
01:32:44,470 --> 01:32:42,080
seem to be corresponding with the

2649
01:32:45,590 --> 01:32:44,480
movement of this craft

2650
01:32:46,470 --> 01:32:45,600
so

2651
01:32:50,149 --> 01:32:46,480
that

2652
01:32:52,629 --> 01:32:50,159
it's it's not far from what we were

2653
01:32:54,390 --> 01:32:52,639
seeing and um

2654
01:32:56,790 --> 01:32:54,400
i'm sure that we got a few head

2655
01:33:00,870 --> 01:32:56,800
movements and nods and some music in

2656
01:33:02,149 --> 01:33:00,880
there to uh add to it but uh it actually

2657
01:33:03,990 --> 01:33:02,159
when we went backstar looking at the

2658
01:33:06,310 --> 01:33:04,000
footage like that was you know i think

2659
01:33:08,229 --> 01:33:06,320
that was edited pretty accurately

2660
01:33:10,149 --> 01:33:08,239
yeah particularly if it's right what you

2661
01:33:12,709 --> 01:33:10,159
say about brandon being the character he

2662
01:33:14,629 --> 01:33:12,719
is in general that he was particularly

2663
01:33:16,870 --> 01:33:14,639
animated during the scene with linda

2664
01:33:18,629 --> 01:33:16,880
moulton howe and travis and so yeah know

2665
01:33:21,030 --> 01:33:18,639
that that's a great answer appreciate

2666
01:33:23,430 --> 01:33:21,990
that sounds like that could be a

2667
01:33:26,550 --> 01:33:23,440
catchphrase on the second season if

2668
01:33:28,149 --> 01:33:26,560
brandon's anymore that's brandon um so a

2669
01:33:31,030 --> 01:33:28,159
couple more listener questions i've got

2670
01:33:32,870 --> 01:33:31,040
dan asking how are your injuries now

2671
01:33:34,790 --> 01:33:32,880
anything has anything happened regarding

2672
01:33:36,550 --> 01:33:34,800
your head injury since serious season

2673
01:33:38,310 --> 01:33:36,560
one wrapped up and he also says he's

2674
01:33:41,910 --> 01:33:38,320
glad that you're well

2675
01:33:44,390 --> 01:33:41,920
well thank you for your concern and uh i

2676
01:33:46,790 --> 01:33:44,400
have not had any reoccurrences since the

2677
01:33:49,590 --> 01:33:46,800
one that we saw on episode two

2678
01:33:52,310 --> 01:33:49,600
um thank goodness and other than that

2679
01:33:55,669 --> 01:33:52,320
like i say i i'm in good health

2680
01:33:58,149 --> 01:33:55,679
um i do i do have several it's

2681
01:34:01,110 --> 01:33:58,159
interesting like my head is still very

2682
01:34:02,950 --> 01:34:01,120
tender in in that particular spot where

2683
01:34:04,390 --> 01:34:02,960
it started so

2684
01:34:07,350 --> 01:34:04,400
uh this

2685
01:34:09,030 --> 01:34:07,360
my injury happened march of march 4th of

2686
01:34:12,629 --> 01:34:09,040
2017

2687
01:34:15,189 --> 01:34:12,639
and uh here it is 20 20 20

2688
01:34:17,030 --> 01:34:15,199
and uh three years later like my

2689
01:34:20,470 --> 01:34:17,040
back of my head is still tender to the

2690
01:34:21,830 --> 01:34:20,480
touch um and i still get weird

2691
01:34:24,950 --> 01:34:21,840
sensations

2692
01:34:25,830 --> 01:34:24,960
in my uh inside my head and my scalp

2693
01:34:26,709 --> 01:34:25,840
that

2694
01:34:30,229 --> 01:34:26,719
have

2695
01:34:32,550 --> 01:34:30,239
them since some injuries so there are a

2696
01:34:34,149 --> 01:34:32,560
few minor things but overall i'm healthy

2697
01:34:36,870 --> 01:34:34,159
i feel good

2698
01:34:38,390 --> 01:34:36,880
um haven't had any more reoccurrences

2699
01:34:40,470 --> 01:34:38,400
since that little one that we saw in

2700
01:34:42,629 --> 01:34:40,480
episode two when we were

2701
01:34:45,030 --> 01:34:42,639
out camping

2702
01:34:47,430 --> 01:34:45,040
no awesome um it also asks you have

2703
01:34:49,270 --> 01:34:47,440
spoke you spoke in the last episode and

2704
01:34:51,510 --> 01:34:49,280
you've mentioned on on the show as well

2705
01:34:54,229 --> 01:34:51,520
that uh strange events have happened at

2706
01:34:55,750 --> 01:34:54,239
home and they persist to the present day

2707
01:34:57,510 --> 01:34:55,760
do you care to share any particular

2708
01:34:59,270 --> 01:34:57,520
stories or details of what seems to

2709
01:35:01,910 --> 01:34:59,280
follow you from the ranch to your own

2710
01:35:07,270 --> 01:35:04,550
yeah um i will just say that since i

2711
01:35:08,950 --> 01:35:07,280
started working at the ranch um

2712
01:35:15,030 --> 01:35:08,960
we've had some

2713
01:35:16,149 --> 01:35:15,040
some outright terrifying things that

2714
01:35:18,550 --> 01:35:16,159
have happened

2715
01:35:20,310 --> 01:35:18,560
my son just couple weeks ago my oldest

2716
01:35:22,470 --> 01:35:20,320
son he's 15.

2717
01:35:23,990 --> 01:35:22,480
uh you know my kids think it's cool that

2718
01:35:25,510 --> 01:35:24,000
i'm on tv

2719
01:35:27,189 --> 01:35:25,520
you know i mean there's a lot of perks

2720
01:35:29,189 --> 01:35:27,199
that come being come

2721
01:35:31,109 --> 01:35:29,199
with the ranch we were able to go fly in

2722
01:35:32,229 --> 01:35:31,119
brandon's helicopter and you know

2723
01:35:34,790 --> 01:35:32,239
there's some cool things like that that

2724
01:35:36,550 --> 01:35:34,800
my kids really enjoy and think it's cool

2725
01:35:38,709 --> 01:35:36,560
that dad's involved with this project

2726
01:35:40,790 --> 01:35:38,719
but that being said you know my my

2727
01:35:42,470 --> 01:35:40,800
oldest son came to me just two or three

2728
01:35:43,590 --> 01:35:42,480
weeks ago and just said

2729
01:35:44,470 --> 01:35:43,600
um

2730
01:35:46,149 --> 01:35:44,480
you know

2731
01:35:47,750 --> 01:35:46,159
you you still feel like it's worth it

2732
01:35:49,669 --> 01:35:47,760
dad um

2733
01:35:51,430 --> 01:35:49,679
you know you you see what's going on

2734
01:35:53,590 --> 01:35:51,440
here at home

2735
01:35:55,189 --> 01:35:53,600
and uh

2736
01:35:58,709 --> 01:35:55,199
do you do you feel like it's still worth

2737
01:36:01,430 --> 01:35:58,719
it and it was a it was a valid question

2738
01:36:03,669 --> 01:36:01,440
um as far as specific instances i'll

2739
01:36:06,870 --> 01:36:03,679
i'll refer him to my twitter feed if you

2740
01:36:10,709 --> 01:36:06,880
go to my twitter feed and i i posted

2741
01:36:13,669 --> 01:36:10,719
uh a little video and an explanation

2742
01:36:16,709 --> 01:36:13,679
about a time that happened with my car

2743
01:36:21,510 --> 01:36:18,629
the reason why i'm hesitant to share

2744
01:36:23,270 --> 01:36:21,520
things that go on at my house is

2745
01:36:27,030 --> 01:36:23,280
i shared this particular incident about

2746
01:36:31,030 --> 01:36:29,109
it's no different than the rest of the

2747
01:36:33,109 --> 01:36:31,040
million ufo stories we've been told in

2748
01:36:35,750 --> 01:36:33,119
the fact that

2749
01:36:39,030 --> 01:36:35,760
in order for you to

2750
01:36:42,390 --> 01:36:39,040
accept it you have to overlook a lot of

2751
01:36:47,830 --> 01:36:44,950
for example my windows rolled down

2752
01:36:50,310 --> 01:36:47,840
and my camera the specific camera my

2753
01:36:52,070 --> 01:36:50,320
surveillance system at my house

2754
01:36:54,790 --> 01:36:52,080
before the windows go down it shuts

2755
01:36:56,790 --> 01:36:54,800
itself off none of the other seven or

2756
01:36:58,629 --> 01:36:56,800
the other yeah the other seven cameras

2757
01:37:01,109 --> 01:36:58,639
that are on the system work beautifully

2758
01:37:02,950 --> 01:37:01,119
never even so much as flickered

2759
01:37:04,629 --> 01:37:02,960
and yet the one on the front of my house

2760
01:37:07,430 --> 01:37:04,639
facing this car

2761
01:37:09,590 --> 01:37:07,440
goes off for a couple of minutes

2762
01:37:11,430 --> 01:37:09,600
there's no way for people would have

2763
01:37:13,830 --> 01:37:11,440
like for this to be significant people

2764
01:37:16,550 --> 01:37:13,840
have to take me at my word that i didn't

2765
01:37:18,629 --> 01:37:16,560
go upstairs and turn that camera off

2766
01:37:20,629 --> 01:37:18,639
that i didn't just use the key fob and

2767
01:37:23,030 --> 01:37:20,639
roll the windows down

2768
01:37:26,390 --> 01:37:23,040
um that i didn't turn it off or walk

2769
01:37:27,910 --> 01:37:26,400
outside like there's a lot of holes here

2770
01:37:30,149 --> 01:37:27,920
that

2771
01:37:31,669 --> 01:37:30,159
i'm expecting people to believe and and

2772
01:37:33,750 --> 01:37:31,679
the truth is i don't expect them to

2773
01:37:35,750 --> 01:37:33,760
believe i'm simply just throwing an

2774
01:37:38,070 --> 01:37:35,760
experience out there and saying

2775
01:37:40,709 --> 01:37:38,080
this is what's taken place

2776
01:37:42,709 --> 01:37:40,719
and as far as being able to prove it

2777
01:37:44,870 --> 01:37:42,719
well i can't prove that my key fob was

2778
01:37:46,709 --> 01:37:44,880
on my dresser the whole time or my my

2779
01:37:49,669 --> 01:37:46,719
little nightstand

2780
01:37:51,830 --> 01:37:49,679
i can't prove that i didn't go upstairs

2781
01:37:54,470 --> 01:37:51,840
and turn that camera off

2782
01:37:56,550 --> 01:37:54,480
um and so because of that

2783
01:37:57,990 --> 01:37:56,560
i also can't prove that it happened the

2784
01:38:00,229 --> 01:37:58,000
exact way it did

2785
01:38:01,430 --> 01:38:00,239
um all i know is i came home from the

2786
01:38:04,229 --> 01:38:01,440
ranch

2787
01:38:06,470 --> 01:38:04,239
it's a cold morning it's 11 below 11

2788
01:38:07,510 --> 01:38:06,480
fahrenheit below zero

2789
01:38:09,830 --> 01:38:07,520
um

2790
01:38:11,270 --> 01:38:09,840
here in roosevelt my windows are rolled

2791
01:38:13,189 --> 01:38:11,280
up i pull in

2792
01:38:15,669 --> 01:38:13,199
i come in the house

2793
01:38:17,030 --> 01:38:15,679
my key fob i only have one key fob to my

2794
01:38:19,189 --> 01:38:17,040
car

2795
01:38:20,870 --> 01:38:19,199
and i i set it down i was actually

2796
01:38:22,470 --> 01:38:20,880
showering getting ready that's how i

2797
01:38:24,550 --> 01:38:22,480
like i know for a fact i didn't have the

2798
01:38:27,350 --> 01:38:24,560
key fob in my pocket because i didn't

2799
01:38:28,629 --> 01:38:27,360
have i was showering getting ready

2800
01:38:34,470 --> 01:38:28,639
and

2801
01:38:35,750 --> 01:38:34,480
all down in your car

2802
01:38:36,870 --> 01:38:35,760
the heck

2803
01:38:38,629 --> 01:38:36,880
well

2804
01:38:40,310 --> 01:38:38,639
so i go outside and sure enough the

2805
01:38:42,310 --> 01:38:40,320
windows are all down

2806
01:38:43,990 --> 01:38:42,320
i try to roll them up i can't roll them

2807
01:38:45,430 --> 01:38:44,000
up so i have to run in the house grab my

2808
01:38:47,430 --> 01:38:45,440
key fob

2809
01:38:48,950 --> 01:38:47,440
run out there

2810
01:38:49,830 --> 01:38:48,960
roll them up

2811
01:38:52,390 --> 01:38:49,840
and

2812
01:38:54,629 --> 01:38:52,400
i immediately go upstairs to my camera

2813
01:38:56,790 --> 01:38:54,639
system to look and see how the heck my

2814
01:38:58,629 --> 01:38:56,800
windows rolled themselves down

2815
01:39:01,189 --> 01:38:58,639
and lo and behold

2816
01:39:03,830 --> 01:39:01,199
that one camera facing my car

2817
01:39:05,590 --> 01:39:03,840
went down for three minutes now i think

2818
01:39:08,070 --> 01:39:05,600
it was i think it was a three minute

2819
01:39:11,750 --> 01:39:08,080
time of period that it went down

2820
01:39:14,310 --> 01:39:11,760
um now eric help me get into the log of

2821
01:39:16,310 --> 01:39:14,320
my camera system which shows every time

2822
01:39:18,470 --> 01:39:16,320
it's been logged into it shows when it's

2823
01:39:21,510 --> 01:39:18,480
been given a command to stop recording

2824
01:39:23,510 --> 01:39:21,520
it logs all this stuff

2825
01:39:24,950 --> 01:39:23,520
there were no nobody logged into the

2826
01:39:28,629 --> 01:39:24,960
system

2827
01:39:29,669 --> 01:39:28,639
hack i don't i'm not saying it's very

2828
01:39:32,310 --> 01:39:29,679
secure

2829
01:39:34,149 --> 01:39:32,320
but nobody logged into it there were no

2830
01:39:35,030 --> 01:39:34,159
commands given to that camera to shut

2831
01:39:37,830 --> 01:39:35,040
off

2832
01:39:39,430 --> 01:39:37,840
um it just decided to quit working for

2833
01:39:40,870 --> 01:39:39,440
three minutes the same three minutes

2834
01:39:43,350 --> 01:39:40,880
that these windows rolled themselves

2835
01:39:45,109 --> 01:39:43,360
down my car does have and i learned this

2836
01:39:47,430 --> 01:39:45,119
from the viewers on twitter i appreciate

2837
01:39:49,189 --> 01:39:47,440
it like i didn't know this but my key

2838
01:39:51,350 --> 01:39:49,199
fob if i hold the unlock button long

2839
01:39:53,750 --> 01:39:51,360
enough the windows will roll themselves

2840
01:39:56,870 --> 01:39:53,760
down it's a so it's a feature that is

2841
01:39:58,870 --> 01:39:56,880
built into the car it is made to do that

2842
01:40:01,030 --> 01:39:58,880
i didn't know it was there when i put it

2843
01:40:02,790 --> 01:40:01,040
on twitter so i'm grateful for the

2844
01:40:04,709 --> 01:40:02,800
viewers that are the you know the

2845
01:40:05,750 --> 01:40:04,719
twitter followers that bring that to my

2846
01:40:08,790 --> 01:40:05,760
attention

2847
01:40:10,950 --> 01:40:08,800
um it explains part of the mystery but i

2848
01:40:12,870 --> 01:40:10,960
didn't have the key fob on me so i know

2849
01:40:14,390 --> 01:40:12,880
for a fact like there's no way that key

2850
01:40:15,510 --> 01:40:14,400
fob button got pushed and rolled those

2851
01:40:16,709 --> 01:40:15,520
windows down

2852
01:40:18,390 --> 01:40:16,719
but

2853
01:40:20,550 --> 01:40:18,400
then it brings it back what what is it

2854
01:40:22,870 --> 01:40:20,560
that we see on the ranch all the time

2855
01:40:24,709 --> 01:40:22,880
it's the electromagnetic radiation that

2856
01:40:25,510 --> 01:40:24,719
we're picking up these radio frequencies

2857
01:40:27,510 --> 01:40:25,520
well

2858
01:40:30,229 --> 01:40:27,520
that's all the key fob is the radio

2859
01:40:32,390 --> 01:40:30,239
frequency to the car tells it to do that

2860
01:40:35,030 --> 01:40:32,400
and then the camera going down again

2861
01:40:37,910 --> 01:40:35,040
another electronic

2862
01:40:41,270 --> 01:40:37,920
so it's possible that whatever you know

2863
01:40:43,669 --> 01:40:41,280
has the ability to to hit that frequency

2864
01:40:46,149 --> 01:40:43,679
and make that car do that that's that's

2865
01:40:47,990 --> 01:40:46,159
one example of things that we've seen

2866
01:40:50,070 --> 01:40:48,000
um we

2867
01:40:51,510 --> 01:40:50,080
the list is long and and i've had some

2868
01:40:54,790 --> 01:40:51,520
things that have been serious enough

2869
01:40:55,830 --> 01:40:54,800
that i've had to call the authorities

2870
01:40:57,750 --> 01:40:55,840
um

2871
01:40:59,030 --> 01:40:57,760
and some things that have terrified my

2872
01:41:01,030 --> 01:40:59,040
family and

2873
01:41:03,830 --> 01:41:01,040
um so

2874
01:41:06,229 --> 01:41:03,840
there's there's those things that i know

2875
01:41:08,629 --> 01:41:06,239
are real and then i tell people there's

2876
01:41:11,189 --> 01:41:08,639
also the observer effect i mean you go

2877
01:41:13,189 --> 01:41:11,199
by go go buy a white

2878
01:41:14,709 --> 01:41:13,199
jeep and the next day you realize that

2879
01:41:16,229 --> 01:41:14,719
10 of your neighbors have the same white

2880
01:41:18,149 --> 01:41:16,239
jeep and you didn't notice that the day

2881
01:41:20,390 --> 01:41:18,159
before right like

2882
01:41:22,629 --> 01:41:20,400
we noticed those things so

2883
01:41:24,149 --> 01:41:22,639
before i worked on the ranch who's to

2884
01:41:25,669 --> 01:41:24,159
say that i didn't have crazy things

2885
01:41:27,270 --> 01:41:25,679
happening around me but i just was

2886
01:41:29,350 --> 01:41:27,280
oblivious to it

2887
01:41:30,310 --> 01:41:29,360
so i try to take that into account and

2888
01:41:32,070 --> 01:41:30,320
say

2889
01:41:33,910 --> 01:41:32,080
is it that there's really more crazy

2890
01:41:35,910 --> 01:41:33,920
things going on at my house

2891
01:41:36,950 --> 01:41:35,920
or is it simply that i work on the ranch

2892
01:41:39,750 --> 01:41:36,960
and now i

2893
01:41:41,350 --> 01:41:39,760
recognize and observe more crazy things

2894
01:41:43,990 --> 01:41:41,360
they were there the whole time but i

2895
01:41:45,430 --> 01:41:44,000
just didn't notice them i like there's

2896
01:41:48,229 --> 01:41:45,440
all these things you have to weigh out

2897
01:41:49,830 --> 01:41:48,239
and balance and say what is it there are

2898
01:41:51,830 --> 01:41:49,840
several these serious things that have

2899
01:41:53,750 --> 01:41:51,840
taken place that that i know for a fact

2900
01:41:55,990 --> 01:41:53,760
those things didn't happen before my

2901
01:41:59,109 --> 01:41:56,000
association with the ranch so there's

2902
01:42:00,870 --> 01:41:59,119
definitely some aspect or element of it

2903
01:42:02,950 --> 01:42:00,880
and then you add in the fact that so

2904
01:42:04,229 --> 01:42:02,960
many people that have visited the ranch

2905
01:42:06,229 --> 01:42:04,239
go home

2906
01:42:08,149 --> 01:42:06,239
and whatever it is this is their words

2907
01:42:11,030 --> 01:42:08,159
it followed them home you know the

2908
01:42:12,310 --> 01:42:11,040
hitchhiker effect i believe in it

2909
01:42:15,030 --> 01:42:12,320
completely

2910
01:42:17,750 --> 01:42:15,040
um i believe it's real

2911
01:42:20,070 --> 01:42:17,760
but that's that's just me

2912
01:42:22,229 --> 01:42:20,080
no awesome uh dan also asked are you a

2913
01:42:25,830 --> 01:42:22,239
cat or a dog person

2914
01:42:28,470 --> 01:42:25,840
i'm a dog person i got i got two chows i

2915
01:42:29,830 --> 01:42:28,480
i'm a child guy i got a white chow and a

2916
01:42:31,510 --> 01:42:29,840
red child

2917
01:42:33,030 --> 01:42:31,520
awesome and not to upset anyone but

2918
01:42:35,990 --> 01:42:33,040
that's the only answer to that question

2919
01:42:37,990 --> 01:42:36,000
anyway so last question from andy well

2920
01:42:40,790 --> 01:42:38,000
you mentioned just before there thomas

2921
01:42:42,550 --> 01:42:40,800
about the tic tac incident and ufos

2922
01:42:43,910 --> 01:42:42,560
what do you think we are seeing in our

2923
01:42:45,910 --> 01:42:43,920
skies when it comes to some of these

2924
01:42:48,149 --> 01:42:45,920
crafts would you would you go as far to

2925
01:42:49,430 --> 01:42:48,159
say aliens as if it was a personal

2926
01:42:52,070 --> 01:42:49,440
opinion or

2927
01:42:54,629 --> 01:42:52,080
yeah i i i'm starting to think it would

2928
01:42:56,870 --> 01:42:54,639
have to be extraterrestrial like

2929
01:42:58,070 --> 01:42:56,880
i've always been of the mindset that it

2930
01:43:00,229 --> 01:42:58,080
was just

2931
01:43:03,350 --> 01:43:00,239
secret projects with governments

2932
01:43:04,629 --> 01:43:03,360
um deep state type stuff

2933
01:43:06,790 --> 01:43:04,639
but um

2934
01:43:09,109 --> 01:43:06,800
i'm i'm becoming more the mindset that

2935
01:43:10,390 --> 01:43:09,119
it's some of these uh

2936
01:43:13,830 --> 01:43:10,400
possibly

2937
01:43:15,669 --> 01:43:13,840
probably are extraterrestrial

2938
01:43:17,109 --> 01:43:15,679
awesome thank you and thanks all the

2939
01:43:19,270 --> 01:43:17,119
listeners for those questions so we'll

2940
01:43:20,870 --> 01:43:19,280
move on to the quick fire run so thomas

2941
01:43:23,109 --> 01:43:20,880
before we finish up a bit of a word

2942
01:43:25,510 --> 01:43:23,119
association here what i've done for this

2943
01:43:27,510 --> 01:43:25,520
one is um i've got a few different names

2944
01:43:28,870 --> 01:43:27,520
i've got the cast on here as well and if

2945
01:43:30,790 --> 01:43:28,880
you want to just give us a quick one

2946
01:43:33,030 --> 01:43:30,800
word or a few words on each or you can

2947
01:43:38,550 --> 01:43:33,040
expand your answers it's absolutely fine

2948
01:43:44,310 --> 01:43:40,870
good guy

2949
01:43:44,320 --> 01:43:46,950
um

2950
01:43:51,510 --> 01:43:49,229
boy

2951
01:43:53,830 --> 01:43:51,520
undescribable maybe

2952
01:43:55,189 --> 01:43:53,840
it's hard it's hard to describe brandon

2953
01:43:56,950 --> 01:43:55,199
in one word

2954
01:43:59,669 --> 01:43:56,960
he's a

2955
01:44:04,390 --> 01:43:59,679
incredible human being

2956
01:44:10,390 --> 01:44:07,990
travis is a fun guy to be around

2957
01:44:13,910 --> 01:44:10,400
eddie bob

2958
01:44:16,790 --> 01:44:13,920
uh smartest guy i've ever met

2959
01:44:19,669 --> 01:44:16,800
jim stagala

2960
01:44:19,679 --> 01:44:25,590
so with jim

2961
01:44:36,629 --> 01:44:30,550
uh

2962
01:44:39,189 --> 01:44:36,639
i'm grateful to jim jim's my security

2963
01:44:41,430 --> 01:44:39,199
blanket because he's kind of the

2964
01:44:43,109 --> 01:44:41,440
when i say security i just mean he

2965
01:44:45,990 --> 01:44:43,119
understands my injury probably better

2966
01:44:49,830 --> 01:44:46,000
than anybody else on the ranch team so

2967
01:44:51,990 --> 01:44:49,840
uh i like having him on the ranch

2968
01:44:53,910 --> 01:44:52,000
when it comes to my health because i

2969
01:44:55,270 --> 01:44:53,920
feel like he understands better than

2970
01:44:58,550 --> 01:44:55,280
anyone else

2971
01:45:00,709 --> 01:44:58,560
what happened to me if that makes sense

2972
01:45:03,270 --> 01:45:00,719
yeah that's the next

2973
01:45:06,390 --> 01:45:03,280
yeah awesome the next one would be at

2974
01:45:08,790 --> 01:45:06,400
the possibility there are portals on the

2975
01:45:10,870 --> 01:45:08,800
ranch

2976
01:45:12,709 --> 01:45:10,880
uh

2977
01:45:13,669 --> 01:45:12,719
yeah i think

2978
01:45:16,390 --> 01:45:13,679
yes

2979
01:45:19,830 --> 01:45:16,400
i i think it's highly possible

2980
01:45:22,149 --> 01:45:19,840
okay um your own ideas or perception of

2981
01:45:24,709 --> 01:45:22,159
how consciousness plays into all of this

2982
01:45:27,990 --> 01:45:24,719
phenomena

2983
01:45:29,510 --> 01:45:28,000
i think that cognitive and consciousness

2984
01:45:31,590 --> 01:45:29,520
is

2985
01:45:33,430 --> 01:45:31,600
probably the main thing we should be

2986
01:45:34,709 --> 01:45:33,440
focusing on the ranch i think it plays

2987
01:45:36,950 --> 01:45:34,719
huge into it

2988
01:45:38,070 --> 01:45:36,960
matter of fact i you ask me i think it

2989
01:45:39,669 --> 01:45:38,080
makes up

2990
01:45:41,030 --> 01:45:39,679
my personal opinion

2991
01:45:43,270 --> 01:45:41,040
is

2992
01:45:44,709 --> 01:45:43,280
that's what we should be

2993
01:45:49,350 --> 01:45:44,719
spending our time

2994
01:45:54,709 --> 01:45:49,360
looking at but uh yeah absolutely huge

2995
01:46:02,149 --> 01:45:59,030
uh this is public or private um

2996
01:46:04,470 --> 01:46:02,159
he is mysterious

2997
01:46:06,709 --> 01:46:04,480
he certainly is and the last one i like

2998
01:46:09,350 --> 01:46:06,719
to end all of my my guests for the same

2999
01:46:11,350 --> 01:46:09,360
one is disclosure

3000
01:46:15,830 --> 01:46:11,360
and what the skinwalker ranch what has

3001
01:46:21,430 --> 01:46:19,430
uh yeah disclosure is very important

3002
01:46:23,350 --> 01:46:21,440
i'm grateful to work on a team we all

3003
01:46:25,030 --> 01:46:23,360
have the same common goal

3004
01:46:27,590 --> 01:46:25,040
and that is

3005
01:46:28,950 --> 01:46:27,600
disclosure and i know that all the

3006
01:46:31,270 --> 01:46:28,960
gentlemen that i work with our

3007
01:46:32,390 --> 01:46:31,280
credibility means everything to us we're

3008
01:46:34,470 --> 01:46:32,400
not here

3009
01:46:35,510 --> 01:46:34,480
um personally i don't care about the

3010
01:46:37,830 --> 01:46:35,520
fame

3011
01:46:39,510 --> 01:46:37,840
uh i'm definitely not getting rich off

3012
01:46:42,149 --> 01:46:39,520
of this at least i haven't seen any of

3013
01:46:45,189 --> 01:46:42,159
it yet um

3014
01:46:46,550 --> 01:46:45,199
this is about getting answers and

3015
01:46:49,109 --> 01:46:46,560
there are enough smart people in the

3016
01:46:51,270 --> 01:46:49,119
world that if we try to sell a bunch of

3017
01:46:54,790 --> 01:46:51,280
lies we're just going history is going

3018
01:46:57,350 --> 01:46:54,800
to show us to be a bunch of fools and

3019
01:47:00,149 --> 01:46:57,360
we don't that's not what we want we want

3020
01:47:02,070 --> 01:47:00,159
to play a part in this and i think that

3021
01:47:03,990 --> 01:47:02,080
skinwalker ranch

3022
01:47:05,590 --> 01:47:04,000
has the possibility and a real

3023
01:47:08,310 --> 01:47:05,600
probability

3024
01:47:11,189 --> 01:47:08,320
of playing a huge part being very

3025
01:47:12,629 --> 01:47:11,199
instrumental in helping us understand

3026
01:47:14,390 --> 01:47:12,639
the world around us

3027
01:47:15,510 --> 01:47:14,400
even better than we do now and helping

3028
01:47:17,590 --> 01:47:15,520
us

3029
01:47:18,629 --> 01:47:17,600
gain answers to

3030
01:47:25,830 --> 01:47:18,639
the

3031
01:47:29,350 --> 01:47:25,840
unseen forces that we coexist with in

3032
01:47:31,830 --> 01:47:29,360
this world whether it be other realms or

3033
01:47:33,910 --> 01:47:31,840
you know just physics that we we don't

3034
01:47:36,950 --> 01:47:33,920
understand yet and i think skinwalker

3035
01:47:38,709 --> 01:47:36,960
ranch if we're allowed to continue

3036
01:47:40,070 --> 01:47:38,719
this investigation

3037
01:47:41,430 --> 01:47:40,080
and the investigation is going to happen

3038
01:47:43,430 --> 01:47:41,440
whether the cameras roll or not

3039
01:47:45,109 --> 01:47:43,440
brandon's committed to this it's been

3040
01:47:46,550 --> 01:47:45,119
happening for three years before the

3041
01:47:49,430 --> 01:47:46,560
cameras came

3042
01:47:50,790 --> 01:47:49,440
it will continue after the cameras go

3043
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and uh

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01:47:54,629 --> 01:47:52,960
but i i believe the ranch has the

3045
01:47:58,310 --> 01:47:54,639
potential to be

3046
01:47:59,590 --> 01:47:58,320
one of the greatest assets in this space

3047
01:48:01,109 --> 01:47:59,600
for uh

3048
01:48:02,070 --> 01:48:01,119
obtaining the answers that everybody's

3049
01:48:04,229 --> 01:48:02,080
seeking

3050
01:48:05,990 --> 01:48:04,239
so thomas it's been great speaking with

3051
01:48:07,750 --> 01:48:06,000
you and just before you go have you got

3052
01:48:09,430 --> 01:48:07,760
any final words for the listeners where

3053
01:48:11,270 --> 01:48:09,440
they can follow you right where they can

3054
01:48:13,109 --> 01:48:11,280
find you

3055
01:48:14,229 --> 01:48:13,119
yeah so uh

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01:48:20,390 --> 01:48:14,239
i

3057
01:48:23,270 --> 01:48:20,400
podcast

3058
01:48:25,270 --> 01:48:23,280
um thank you for being engaged

3059
01:48:26,470 --> 01:48:25,280
i i love all of our

3060
01:48:28,229 --> 01:48:26,480
uh

3061
01:48:29,830 --> 01:48:28,239
viewers whether they

3062
01:48:31,350 --> 01:48:29,840
like us or hate us

3063
01:48:33,189 --> 01:48:31,360
i just appreciate the fact that they're

3064
01:48:36,310 --> 01:48:33,199
spending time with us

3065
01:48:38,229 --> 01:48:36,320
and that they're engaged in this subject

3066
01:48:41,510 --> 01:48:38,239
and uh

3067
01:48:44,229 --> 01:48:41,520
they can i am online um

3068
01:48:46,149 --> 01:48:44,239
you know i'm trying to change i've been

3069
01:48:49,270 --> 01:48:46,159
a very private person in the past so

3070
01:48:54,310 --> 01:48:49,280
social media has not been my big thing

3071
01:48:59,830 --> 01:48:57,750
and i'm on twitter and i'm on instagram

3072
01:49:01,830 --> 01:48:59,840
so they can search me out thomas

3073
01:49:04,229 --> 01:49:01,840
winterton i think thomas r winterton i

3074
01:49:06,310 --> 01:49:04,239
don't remember uh some of those

3075
01:49:07,350 --> 01:49:06,320
but uh i'll probably check out the links

3076
01:49:09,590 --> 01:49:07,360
in the bio

3077
01:49:11,510 --> 01:49:09,600
okay yeah they can check me out online

3078
01:49:13,589 --> 01:49:11,520
and encourage them to go check out what

3079
01:49:15,030 --> 01:49:13,599
my wife's doing with meditation it's

3080
01:49:16,470 --> 01:49:15,040
interesting it goes hand in hand with

3081
01:49:17,350 --> 01:49:16,480
what we're seeing at the ranch some of

3082
01:49:18,870 --> 01:49:17,360
this

3083
01:49:21,830 --> 01:49:18,880
quantum

3084
01:49:22,870 --> 01:49:21,840
cognitive things um very much into inner

3085
01:49:25,350 --> 01:49:22,880
energy

3086
01:49:26,790 --> 01:49:25,360
and the results that we're seeing with

3087
01:49:28,470 --> 01:49:26,800
this meditation

3088
01:49:30,070 --> 01:49:28,480
is massive people are getting into a

3089
01:49:33,910 --> 01:49:30,080
theta state of meditation with her

3090
01:49:36,390 --> 01:49:33,920
process in 45 to 60 seconds which is

3091
01:49:38,390 --> 01:49:36,400
phenomenal so anyways encourage people

3092
01:49:40,070 --> 01:49:38,400
to check that out as well

3093
01:49:41,990 --> 01:49:40,080
so do you know something i didn't ask

3094
01:49:43,830 --> 01:49:42,000
you in the the body of the show but i've

3095
01:49:45,750 --> 01:49:43,840
really meant to what does your wife

3096
01:49:48,870 --> 01:49:45,760
think is happening on the ranch

3097
01:49:50,149 --> 01:49:48,880
my wife is extremely intuitive very

3098
01:49:52,310 --> 01:49:50,159
gifted

3099
01:49:55,109 --> 01:49:52,320
she has the ability to see and hear

3100
01:49:59,189 --> 01:49:55,119
things that most people cannot

3101
01:50:01,830 --> 01:49:59,199
um and has been proven correct

3102
01:50:04,470 --> 01:50:01,840
so many times that uh i don't even

3103
01:50:05,350 --> 01:50:04,480
question her anymore like it's

3104
01:50:06,870 --> 01:50:05,360
uh

3105
01:50:09,510 --> 01:50:06,880
she says that i'll take it to the bank

3106
01:50:11,669 --> 01:50:09,520
i'll mortgage my house on it um

3107
01:50:13,830 --> 01:50:11,679
and uh

3108
01:50:15,910 --> 01:50:13,840
that being said she has asked me to

3109
01:50:17,510 --> 01:50:15,920
never publicly speak about her views on

3110
01:50:18,790 --> 01:50:17,520
the ranch so

3111
01:50:20,470 --> 01:50:18,800
you have to say

3112
01:50:22,709 --> 01:50:20,480
that's gonna have to just stay with me

3113
01:50:24,790 --> 01:50:22,719
but it's interesting

3114
01:50:26,470 --> 01:50:24,800
that's a whole another story for down

3115
01:50:27,750 --> 01:50:26,480
the line you never know when your your

3116
01:50:29,669 --> 01:50:27,760
wife decides to come out and maybe have

3117
01:50:31,990 --> 01:50:29,679
her own documentary so we'll look

3118
01:50:33,430 --> 01:50:32,000
forward to that but thomas from me thank

3119
01:50:34,470 --> 01:50:33,440
you very much for being on the show it's

3120
01:50:36,550 --> 01:50:34,480
you've been really generous with your

3121
01:50:37,910 --> 01:50:36,560
time so i really appreciate it

3122
01:50:40,229 --> 01:50:37,920
it's been a pleasure thank you for

3123
01:50:42,470 --> 01:50:40,239
inviting me that is all for this week's

3124
01:50:44,310 --> 01:50:42,480
show thank you very much for listening

3125
01:50:46,870 --> 01:50:44,320
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3130
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cuz

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01:52:20,090 --> 01:52:16,629
they thought this was noise they thought

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01:52:39,199 --> 01:52:43,820
and what's that

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01:52:57,109 --> 01:52:49,189
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01:52:57,119 --> 01:52:58,730
your serious

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